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Posted by Dr Rich on 01-07-2003 at18:05:

  more lost thought on Doppelganger.

I have been thinking about this one a lot. It may not be the best (dfbb & MBD tie for first on my list, it is my favorite after those two, though I lump it in with the bookset) but DG is the most important DA album.

It seems the main theme in this one is idolatry. The false image we put on ourselves and on God. The mask if you will. The mask is not an utter lie, but a distortion of the truth. We make the mask to show what we want others to see of ourselves and what we want to see of God, what we are comfortable with. I think everyone does this to a certain extent.

So many of the songs are about what is "real." What is really us and what is on the mask. In "real girls" Terry asks "what makes a real life?" To me that is the heart of that song, and of the album.

The album also deals with dualities (sp?) that we must have in this life. Good & Bad, life & death, female & male, up & down, darkness & light, etc... The closer we are to Christ, the more they merge into one truth.

I love this record.

any thoughts?


Posted by Dr Rich on 01-07-2003 at18:12:

 

my thread, back on top! Tongue


Posted by Joey T. on 01-07-2003 at18:21:

 

Incomplete...... Big Grin


Posted by wes berlin on 01-07-2003 at18:23:

 

to me it's kinda like the "outdoor elvis" cd is really doppleganger part 2.

so many great songs and thoughts that get you thinking....


Posted by dorfsmith on 01-07-2003 at19:05:

 

It's brilliant.


Posted by wes berlin on 01-07-2003 at19:52:

 

"monogrammed polygraph kit, she wants to buy two"


Posted by Mark on 01-08-2003 at06:01:

 

It is great!


Posted by John Foxe on 01-08-2003 at07:47:

  Adjectives

DG is one of those I have to be in the right mood to spin. Initially it was hard for me to get over the hump. I loved Alarma for it's rapid-fire lyrics and new-wave music; should have known better not to expect something similar. A few descriptive adjectives for me:

- introspective
- moody
- dark
- challenging
- prophetic
- original
- just plain weird at times

And yes, besides the obvious duality theme, idolatry is a clear target in many of the tunes.


Posted by Pfiagra on 01-08-2003 at14:28:

  Dualities

God Good - Devil Bad
Sun Hot - Snow Cold
Knife Sharp - Spoon Dull
Socks Stink - Flowers Don't

quote:
Originally posted by Dr Rich
The album also deals with dualities (sp?) that we must have in this life. Good & Bad, life & death, female & male, up & down, darkness & light, etc... The closer we are to Christ, the more they merge into one truth.


Posted by Author of the Post on 01-08-2003 at15:11:

 

quote:
Originally posted by Pfiagra
God Good - Devil Bad
Sun Hot - Snow Cold
Knife Sharp - Spoon Dull
Socks Stink - Flowers Don't

quote:
Originally posted by Dr Rich
The album also deals with dualities (sp?) that we must have in this life. Good & Bad, life & death, female & male, up & down, darkness & light, etc... The closer we are to Christ, the more they merge into one truth.



Or...

DA rocks - the Tuxedo Clad Megastar glows with warmth

-- aotp


Posted by Dr Rich on 01-08-2003 at16:33:

 

quote:
Originally posted by wes berlin
to me it's kinda like the "outdoor elvis" cd is really doppleganger part 2.

so many great songs and thoughts that get you thinking....


yeh, dark and funny, with a lot of ideas stuffed into one record.


Posted by Dr Rich on 01-08-2003 at16:34:

 

quote:
Originally posted by Joey T.
Incomplete...... Big Grin


I'm from MN and don't mind the country stuff!


Posted by brdhsnyrsoul on 01-08-2003 at16:37:

 

I'm from California, and I don't really like the country stuff, but I wouldn't be caught without it.


Posted by Dr Rich on 01-08-2003 at16:38:

 

quote:
Originally posted by John Foxe

And yes, besides the obvious duality theme, idolatry is a clear target in many of the tunes.


It seems that Terry has tied theses two themes together, where the duality is a form idolatry and vice-versa. It's these two themes which seem to be in "Real Girls", "Mall all over the world" and even "Autographs for the sick" in some strange way.

Is it just me, or does "Real Girls" have a kind of "James Bond Theme" type intro?


Posted by carl on 01-09-2003 at07:38:

  Heck....

...I can pick it out on pretty much every song.... no wait, I've got it on, lemme check.... yep, the only one where you'd even have to work for it is "Do Big Boys Cry? (& even then, idolatry of/bondage to "the masculine image" is pretty palpable).

Dang, now I forgot the reason I was gonna post on this thread in the first place. But this one works pretty well too. Smile

Oh yeah, the preference thing.... <<<puts on pretentious hat>>> .... Definitely agree that this is the most "important" of the four (more idolatry?), and probably the second-most flat-out listenable. Vox Humana, arguably the least "important," is easily the most listenable -- it may not always whack you upside the head, but just TRY not to whistle.... Alarma is cool but you can hear them still in the process of "getting it," & Fearful Symmetry starts incredibly & ends almost equally so but has holes you can drive a truck through in the middle.... no wonder Terry had to write Darn Floor to apologize for it.... Big Grin

Anyway, Doppelganger gets my vote for the whole package. I think it's groovy. Smile

10 minutes later: nada, the more I think about it, the more I think that not only is it a central theme (but not "the" Smile ) of DA's music, but of rock-and-roll in general (although most of THAT is simply glorifying in said idolatry).... OUCH! IT HURTS AGAIN!!! Shocked


P.S. And for what it's worth, I always thought "Sleep, Silent Child" was way more Bond-ish....


Posted by Dr Rich on 01-09-2003 at15:37:

 

quote:
Originally posted by carl
10 minutes later: nada, the more I think about it, the more I think that not only is it a central theme (but not "the" Smile ) of DA's music, but of rock-and-roll in general (although most of THAT is simply glorifying in said idolatry).... OUCH! IT HURTS AGAIN!!! Shocked


P.S. And for what it's worth, I always thought "Sleep, Silent Child" was way more Bond-ish....


Yeah... what is real? The pretty lies theme too goes back to "I love you #19"

The more I think about real girls, it occurs to me it has more of a "Hart to Hart" vibe than a "Bond-ish" feel.


Posted by dorfsmith on 01-09-2003 at18:45:

 

There are no holes in Fearful SymmetryEvil Drew Barrymore was in a movie called Doppleganger.


Posted by Dr Rich on 01-10-2003 at16:49:

 

quote:
Originally posted by dorfsmith
There are no holes in Fearful SymmetryEvil Drew Barrymore was in a movie called Doppleganger.


...and there are holes in Drew Barrymore?






















7?


Posted by brdhsnyrsoul on 01-10-2003 at17:08:

 

Dr. Rich is in the gutter again.


Posted by Mark on 01-10-2003 at17:22:

 

Way down there


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