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Posted by Dr Rich on 01-19-2003 at15:13:

 

quote:

Originally posted by carl FS is about Terry trying to describe God. Terry's result is flawed but fascinating. Terry frenches extensively about shortcomings in even HOPING to describe Him. Terry gets resulting album's worth of material, and watches gorilla documentaries in the interim. See? Nothing to it.

sure! easy!

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Posted by Mark on 01-19-2003 at18:09:

 

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Posted by Dr Rich on 02-01-2003 at13:13:

 

just played dfbb today!

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Posted by Mark on 02-01-2003 at19:12:

 

But this thread is about Doppelganger.

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Posted by EdHead on 02-01-2003 at20:15:

 

DFBB is Doppelgänger's double life!

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Posted by Mark on 02-01-2003 at21:39:

 

Oh

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Posted by Gabriel Syme on 02-02-2003 at12:51:

 

Doppelganger was the first DA album I ever owned. That was 1983. The local Christian bookstore had gotten it by mistake & were only too happy to get rid of it. I bought it because it had an interesting cover. It changed everything.

I still go back to it to digest a bit more of what they put into it, but I think the main idea behind it is the one which lies behind a lot of Taylor's endeavors:

quote:

For me therefore everything has a double existence, both in time & when time shall be no more. --Hollow Man (Reprise)

or,

quote:

Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. For you have died & your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. -- Colossians 3:2-5

The theme of trying to perceive what lies above while living below runs all the way from at least Walls of Doubt through Shape of Air & Hole in the World to The Author of the Story. At least, that's how it seems to me, which may say more about my life than Taylor's thought.

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Posted by EdHead on 02-02-2003 at13:43:

 

Hmmm...

Interesting thoughts.

Thanks for sharing!

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Posted by Dr Rich on 02-03-2003 at16:29:

 

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Originally posted by Gabriel Syme Doppelganger was the first DA album I ever owned. That was 1983. The local Christian bookstore had gotten it by mistake & were only too happy to get rid of it. I bought it because it had an interesting cover. It changed everything. I still go back to it to digest a bit more of what they put into it, but I think the main idea behind it is the one which lies behind a lot of Taylor's endeavors: quote: For me therefore everything has a double existence, both in time & when time shall be no more. --Hollow Man (Reprise) or, quote: Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. For you have died & your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. -- Colossians 3:2-5 The theme of trying to perceive what lies above while living below runs all the way from at least Walls of Doubt through Shape of Air & Hole in the World to The Author of the Story. At least, that's how it seems to me, which may say more about my life than Taylor's thought.

On the TST solo CD he has the verse 1 cor 13:12 which fits that theme as well.
He also has Mark 9:24 which is a favorite of mine.

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Posted by Gabriel Syme on 02-04-2003 at10:49:

  Ed takes a vacation, but

I have a Gideon NT in my cubicle. Thanks for the tip. I hadn't noticed those verse before; they might not be in my cassette, which is alas my only copy right now. In a way, Mark 9:24 fits the theme as well; what we are here is not what we know we should & could be.

In the introduction to Behold This Dreamer, Walter de la Mare talks at length about "the borderland"--that place between waking & dreaming where the two seem to mix. I can see why Taylor uses such imagery for the position of the Christian life as lived with an awareness of our dual realities on earth & in the heavenly. I find those images very moving.

The image of a doppelganger is very instructive as well, however. Taylor takes the traditional image & gives it a vigorous twist. Traditionally, it was a ghostly double of a person which would haunt him throughout life, usually malevolently, & was usually visible only to him & no one else. Taylor's version haunts us, but is terrifying only because it calls us to change from our fallen state; it threatens the existence of what we are currently. & likewise, our double is completely visible only to God. What a flash of brilliance! to combine the image of the doppelganger with the Christian understanding of the operations of grace in our lives, & in the final turn to reveal that it is not the Double who is the "bad" one--it is ourselves.

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Posted by carl on 02-04-2003 at10:51:

  Hey Gabe....

When'd you get so freakishly erudite?

Seriously, though, good thoughts.... keep them coming.... get them off yr Chest....

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Posted by Gabriel Syme on 02-04-2003 at11:53:

 

Many, many years ago, I was a liberal arts major, & so a veritable compendium of impractical knowledge. (excuse me while I roll my eyes at myself )

When I was in college, we joked that liberal arts majors learned to ask probing questions, such as 'would you like fries with that?' I've decided that actually we learned to go to our jobs while thinking about something entirely different.

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Posted by Dr Rich on 02-06-2003 at16:20:

 

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Originally posted by Gabriel Syme I have a Gideon NT in my cubicle. Thanks for the tip. I hadn't noticed those verse before; they might not be in my cassette, which is alas my only copy right now. In a way, Mark 9:24 fits the theme as well; what we are here is not what we know we should & could be. In the introduction to Behold This Dreamer, Walter de la Mare talks at length about "the borderland"--that place between waking & dreaming where the two seem to mix. I can see why Taylor uses such imagery for the position of the Christian life as lived with an awareness of our dual realities on earth & in the heavenly. I find those images very moving. The image of a doppelganger is very instructive as well, however. Taylor takes the traditional image & gives it a vigorous twist. Traditionally, it was a ghostly double of a person which would haunt him throughout life, usually malevolently, & was usually visible only to him & no one else. Taylor's version haunts us, but is terrifying only because it calls us to change from our fallen state; it threatens the existence of what we are currently. & likewise, our double is completely visible only to God. What a flash of brilliance! to combine the image of the doppelganger with the Christian understanding of the operations of grace in our lives, & in the final turn to reveal that it is not the Double who is the "bad" one--it is ourselves.

It's a great concept that works oddy well on a rock record, who would have thought?

btw, you need to post more... this is good stuff! )