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Posted by dorfsmith on 03-16-2004 at16:53:
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Originally posted by audiori
A lot depends on what your personal definition of ministry
is. When you practically go broke creating an art with the intent
of reaching people with the message in your art, when you
possibly could forsake the message and make more money..
to me it is a 'ministry'. I think ministry is a position of serving
your fellow man, trying to reach them and feed them physically
emotionally, or spiritually even at your own sacrifice. DA has
done that over the years. A lot of 'Christian' bands have.
We have recieved emails from people to the websites and Terry
has as well from people thanking him for what he has allowed
God to say to them through his music. He could have quit
all this a long time ago, but he stays in because he believes
in the message he is getting out. It is reaching some people,
you might be surprised. If he quit worrying about the message
or reaching people and just tried to make money or art I would
say it would cease to be a 'ministry.'
I don't think calling what you do as a ministry is pompous if
you truly are trying to reach people with the Gospel. In fact
I believe all Christians are called to be 'ministers.' Not in the
pastoral sense but in the doing the work of God sense. Serving
and meeting the needs of your neighbor, sharing the Gospel,
that is ministering to people.
What Eric and I do for these guys we consider a ministry to them,
we are not in this for money. We sacrifce a LOT of our time and
money trying to make sure these guys can continue doing what
they do... reaching to and ministering to people through their art.
I don't say that for a pat on the back, but as an example. Its quite
an uphill battle most of the time, it's exhausting. There are tons
of other people that have sacrificed over the years to keep this
going. Tom Gulotta, The guys at Silent Planet, Jeffrey K, Dan Michaels
and Galaxy21, Derek Becker, anyone that promotes a show knows
what it means to sacrifice, anyone that has invested in the
production of any albums .... the list goes on and on. And all these
people don't come close to the time and money the band has put
in. And why? Not to just make art, but to reach people, speak to
them where they are, share Gods word, and hopefully minister to
them. Not everything put out is meant to reach people, Farm Beetles
is a joke....but 98% of the stuff is meant to 'say something' to you.
Sure there are those out there who claim to be 'ministries' who are
not. But that does not mean the legitimate ones are less legitimate.
It just means the legitimate ones have an even harder time because
the have to work against the damage done by the illegitimate ones.
Christians are called to minister to people and God will use them,
God will also at times use the unwitting non-believer to minister
to us. The first one is a ministry, the second one is not. |
OK, we're talking about the word "ministry" now. For the most part I know what you are saying and I agree with it. I still think you are completely missing my point. Forget the ministry word and go back and read my posts. It might make more sense.
Posted by dorfsmith on 03-16-2004 at17:04:
This is what I'm talking about
Attack of the Pulpit Masters
from the album "Outdoor Elvis"
Words and Music by Camarillo Eddy
©1989 Broken Songs
attack of the pulpit masters
they're coming again
look out look out look out look out
they are coming again
oh no we're swooning
swoooooooooooning
woah nelly
we're swooning again
money money money money money
money money money money money
money money money money money
money money money money money
money money money money money
money money money money (gasp) money
money money money
attack of the pulpit masters
they're marching over the land
well we all need jesus
not these clowns again
but, oh no, here we go
we're swooning
swoooooooooooooning
woah nelly
we're swooning again
money's ministers, a money ministry, ministry money
ministry satellites, money and ministry
ministry and money, money for satellites
money many money, mini money, mini satellites
many many more money, many i money
many me money, we need money, money, money
minister ministry, ministry money
we're swooning
we're sssspinning
a swirling eddy
a spinning sucking whirlpool of movie going, rock
'n' rolling beer
drinking, smoking, drug infested pornos
porno people
yeah we're the porno people
swooning and swirling and spinning
deeper under the spell of the pulpit masters
the spinning, sweating, gibbering, gyrating jumping
hopping, sweat,
ho hup
jump jumping
jump x#@o0!!!
here we go again!
look out, look out, look out, they're coming again
oh no i didn't think we'd ever swoon again
oh no we're swooning
swooooooooooooooooooooooooning
woah nelly
money money money money money
money money money money money
money money money money money
money money money money money
money money money money money
money money money money money
Posted by dorfsmith on 03-16-2004 at17:28:
And I'm talking about this...
Nobody Will
from the album "Mr. Buechner's Dream"
Music by Daniel Amos, Words by T.S. Taylor
©2001 Zoom Daddy/BMI
You'll see, we'll be
Fine everybody
If we climb, everybody
To the cross on the hill
"feed me, heal me" whines everybody
Blinds everybody
And nobody will
Chorus:
Motorboats on the red sea
Altar candles on the t.v.
We killed the prophets,
And we hung the sun
And finally got our
Kingdom come
We'll wake up, and make up
And cry everybody
Die everybody
At the cross on the hill
"astound me, crown me," whines everybody
Blinds everybody
So nobody will
Bridge:
We've got no taste for the new wine
Just want our faces on prime time
There was that time we fed the poor
(but we) just don't believe them anymore
A house and pool in the
Promise land
A slice of pie for the
Son of man
A little prayer, our ten percent
And a crocodile tear for any regret
Posted by dorfsmith on 03-16-2004 at17:30:
And this...
Big Time / Big Deal
from the album "¡Alarma!"
Words and Music by Terry Taylor
©1981 Paragon Music Corp./ASCAP
Beam it on the satellite, send it through the T.V.
Get it on the play list, preach it to the masses
I want the big time, it's not for everyone
I want the long line, to tell them what I've done
Give me a bullhorn, I'll help Your kingdom come
I get all this, and heaven when I'm done
Why stop with the little things, wires cross the continents
The moment of conversion, on the cover of my album
I want the big time, it's not for everyone
I want the long line, to tell them what I've done
Give me a bullhorn, I'll help Your kingdom come
I get all this, and heaven when I'm done
Heard some talk about the big big big big big deal
Can't wait, moving on, can't wait, moving on
Lawyers talking 'bout the long long long long
long long long long contract
Five years, how long?, sign here, moving on
Send a tape to Carson, got a date in Vegas
Start a church in LA., billboard off the freeway
I want the big time, it's not for everyone
I want the long line, to tell them what I've done
Give me a bullhorn, I'll help Your kingdom come
I get all this, and heaven when I'm done
I want the big time, I want the long line
Give me a bullhorn, I get all this, and heaven when I'm done
Posted by dorfsmith on 03-16-2004 at17:34:
and this
All the Way to Heaven
from the album "Outdoor Elvis"
Words and Music by Camarillo Eddy
©1989 Broken Songs
bibles dressed in spandex pants
if you could get the girl to dance
she'll follow you all the way to heaven
and grab your heart through your sweating chest
clutch it to her longing breast
she'll go with you all the way to heaven
she's crying now
but tell me what she's crying for
she'll follow too
but tell me who she's following
she's longing
but tell me who she's longing for
she thinks of your image
as a stained glass window
bibles dressed in spandex pants
if you could get the girl to dance
she'll follow you all the way to heaven
she's crying now
but tell me what she's crying for
she'll follow too
but tell me who she's following
she's longing
but tell me who she's longing for
she thinks of your image
as a stained glass window
grab your heart through your sweating chest
clutch it to her longing breast
she'll go with you all the way to heaven
nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah
she'll follow you all the way to heaven
Posted by Mark on 03-16-2004 at19:31:
OK, Dorf I was looking for the lyrics to a song on a Tooth & Nail Various Artists CD called Artcore Vol. 2. The song is by Sage and it is called Den Of Thieves. If I remember right, it is talking about exactly what you have said on this thread. The lyrics aren't in the booklet and I don't have time to transcribe them now. I couldn't find the lyrics on the web.
Posted by PuP on 03-16-2004 at22:50:
All this time I thought dorf was talking about selling Jesus for profit and here he was talking about really good music.
Posted by audiori on 03-17-2004 at08:29:
well what I mean is it's difficult for someone else to know
a persons motive, if they are selling Jesus for profit or if
they are a ministry. Just because money comes in does not mean
it's not a ministry. Who knows what that person intends to do
with the money... maybe give it to charities as Rich Mullins did.
We can sit back and say we know Mel's motives were just greed,
but only God knows.
Posted by jiminy on 03-17-2004 at09:28:
HEY! - He was talkin to ME!!!!
Posted by dorfsmith on 03-17-2004 at12:45:
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Originally posted by Mark
OK, Dorf I was looking for the lyrics to a song on a Tooth & Nail Various Artists CD called Artcore Vol. 2. The song is by Sage and it is called Den Of Thieves. If I remember right, it is talking about exactly what you have said on this thread. The lyrics aren't in the booklet and I don't have time to transcribe them now. I couldn't find the lyrics on the web. |
I have that CD and I think I remember the song. I'll have to dig it out and give it a listen
Posted by dorfsmith on 03-17-2004 at12:48:
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Originally posted by audiori
well what I mean is it's difficult for someone else to know
a persons motive, if they are selling Jesus for profit or if
they are a ministry. Just because money comes in does not mean
it's not a ministry. Who knows what that person intends to do
with the money... maybe give it to charities as Rich Mullins did.
We can sit back and say we know Mel's motives were just greed,
but only God knows. |
My point is not to attack Mel as an individual. I'm attacking pop Christianity. If there is any one person who deserves credit for shaping my philosophy on the matter it would be Terry Scott Taylor (my hero
). Look at the above lyrics and tell me if you agree or disagree. Then we'll be on the same page
Posted by jiminy on 03-17-2004 at13:56:
Psst, hey kid.....
wanna buy one of these???
Posted by dorfsmith on 03-17-2004 at13:58:
Posted by PuP on 03-17-2004 at14:04:
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Originally posted by dorfsmith
| quote: |
Originally posted by audiori
well what I mean is it's difficult for someone else to know
a persons motive, if they are selling Jesus for profit or if
they are a ministry. Just because money comes in does not mean
it's not a ministry. Who knows what that person intends to do
with the money... maybe give it to charities as Rich Mullins did.
We can sit back and say we know Mel's motives were just greed,
but only God knows. |
My point is not to attack Mel as an individual. I'm attacking pop Christianity. If there is any one person who deserves credit for shaping my philosophy on the matter it would be Terry Scott Taylor (my hero
). Look at the above lyrics and tell me if you agree or disagree. Then we'll be on the same page
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I agree with you in principle, dorf. Having seen "The Passion" though, I have a hard time lumping it with pop Christianity.
Posted by dorfsmith on 03-17-2004 at14:06:
And that is where I have no arguement. I have not seen it yet
Posted by Mark on 03-19-2004 at19:34:
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Originally posted by dorfsmith
And that is where I have no arguement. I have not seen it yet
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Well, what are you waiting for? Get thee to a movie theater now!
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