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Posted by Phy on 02-09-2008 at11:50:

  New DA?

So I pulled out the Alarma! Chronicles for the first time in a long time and started wondering what a new project from them would sound like.

Has there been any rumbling on when DA will go back to the studio?

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Posted by audiori on 02-09-2008 at13:03:

 

I know Terry's wanted to do one for a long time.. or at least, at various times.. and I know Mike's encouraged him to do it recently since the 77s are working on a new one.


Beyond that.... the usual difficulties are there. Time/money/distance of band members/etc. Same sort of deal that created a three year production time on the Eddies album (and to a degree, however long the 77s record has been in the works.)

In the case of the 77s album though, someone came along and volunteered to put up a big part of the money. That smoothed things out for Mike and fellas to focus on just trying to work out schedules, etc. I think if the funding issue could be worked out in some way for DA, it would happen one way or another. That funding issue is a big obstacle though.

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Posted by DwDunphy on 02-09-2008 at13:18:

 

I know I'm tempting a classic, afterschool a** kicking here...

But...

...I'd pay a pre-order to make it happen.

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Posted by audiori on 02-09-2008 at13:52:

 

Actually.. I was thinking back to what had been talked about a while ago on the board....

The idea of doing a preorder where each person immediately gets "something"... a live disc or a collection of rarities or demos or whatever. It would have to be an inexpensive "something" otherwise you'd create too much debt to make it worth it... but if we could find the right thing it might work a little better than the way the Eddies thing worked. At least folks would immediately get something to watch, wear or listen to for their money.

I don't know.. we'll run some ideas by Terry and see if its something he would even consider at this point.

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Posted by wayneb on 02-09-2008 at13:52:

 

I'll buy a LOTTERY TICKET this week! Then, if.......

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Posted by DwDunphy on 02-09-2008 at14:34:

 

The Eddies MP3 thing worked okay, but if that becomes a way to facilitate a DA recording, you would need to provide enough 'funhouse' material to at least fill a single standard CD-R.

I think there would be a lot of available material to fit the bill - demos from Bibleland were up on MP3.com once, and I can assume Terry has other demos from other DA recordings. It needn't be demos from the forthcoming album. Also, a downloadable booklet and traycard would make for a kind of package and all this could be done with little to no dent on incoming budget funds...

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Posted by audiori on 02-09-2008 at17:59:

 

Yeah, thats not a bad idea...

Originally, that was the plan for the Eddies thing (cover, traycard, more tracks, etc). No one went into it with a real clear idea of what would be available musically since sometimes he makes demos, sometimes he doesn't. With Buechner's, it would have been quite a bit easier I think because of the volume of material and the overall longer production time. But we all thought there'd still be enough scraps here and there to put something fun together. There was even the idea of recording something especially for it. BUT... obviously.. with all of the difficulties in getting the thing produced, there really wasn't anything other than the final recorded songs. We had the disc of early mixes - "Midget Roughs" (which the preorder MP3s came off of) - but even some of those tracks were not too different than the final mixes. We honestly started digging through other tapes looking for Eddies-related stuff to give people, but there just isn't a lot that hasn't already been released in one way or another.

Doing a mixture of random DA oddities from various years would certainly be easier. We might even be able to throw a couple of live bootlegs into the mix.

We'll send all of this to Terry and see what he thinks. Not a lot of time has passed since the release of Midget and I think much of the focus is still on that one.. getting some distribtion, etc.. but.. its not bad to start thinking about the future given how much time it sometimes takes for something like this to come together.

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Posted by jiminy on 02-09-2008 at20:38:

 

ya know - thats a relatively simple and very COOL idea.

sort of an "instant reward" type of thing..

Even if you could "funhouse style" a preorder which would unlock a thread and result in getting a lil lump of rare mp3s ..something to keep all at ease ...cuz after all-you got something on the front end of it.

All it would take (in simple terms) is an agreement of what you may have already in the vault thats expendable-

Show Me the Thread!

(n I'll show you the money!)

This could be used to bolster things in the works-your Ultimate HD for instance.

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Posted by DwDunphy on 02-09-2008 at21:14:

 

I think that this is probably the easiest thing to pull together that would provide the best bang for the buck - and the fact that it all stays digital means almost zero physical material costs.

And for what it's worth, I'd gladly donate what services I can to make this happen (liner notes essay? I can do that!)

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Posted by jiminy on 02-09-2008 at21:18:

 

well - someone can send me all the tracks that were ever recorded..you know- just to sort through and stuff for suggestions ...and .....well...

ok ok - it didnt sound good even when I started...

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Posted by dennis on 02-10-2008 at00:10:

 

quote:

Originally posted by audiori Actually.. I was thinking back to what had been talked about a while ago on the board.... The idea of doing a preorder where each person immediately gets "something"... a live disc or a collection of rarities or demos or whatever. It would have to be an inexpensive "something" otherwise you'd create too much debt to make it worth it... but if we could find the right thing it might work a little better than the way the Eddies thing worked. At least folks would immediately get something to watch, wear or listen to for their money. I don't know.. we'll run some ideas by Terry and see if its something he would even consider at this point.

I'm game.

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Posted by James on 02-10-2008 at18:49:

 

The only problem I see with dipping into the vaults (i.e. demos and unreleased tracks from past albums) is that it would diminish the possible extra material for the eventual reissues of the discography. Otherwise, I like the idea that's being kicked around.

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Posted by audiori on 02-10-2008 at18:52:

 

I was thinking about that too. We'd almost have to limit it to "leftovers" and "oddities" that wouldn't really fit on a regular release... something that isn't directly connected to a specific album or whatever. That and some extra live material that we may not have enough of to make a full live album out of.

I suppose we could throw in some of the "loose ends" type tracks as well, just as a bonus. Might as well bootleg the bootleggers.

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Posted by James on 02-10-2008 at19:01:

 

quote:

Originally posted by audiori Might as well bootleg the bootleggers.

Amen to that.

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Posted by brother joel on 02-10-2008 at19:55:

 

I would strongly support this idea. A new DA album would be great! In fact getting stuff from the DA archives would be great! Here is a thought, a while back terry released some Avacado club cds that did not get wide distribution. I would love a chance to get these. They could be included in an MP3 funhouse to support pre-orders along with the other stuff.

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Posted by DwDunphy on 02-10-2008 at21:12:

 

I think it comes down to this: yes, releasing the demos as a pre-order premium dilutes the punch of reissues, but it helps bring about a new recording. It's going to depend on which direction seems most pragmatic.

Any direction this takes makes one thing clear, and that is that the material used for any pre-order premium has to be free and clear for usage, otherwise it will be cost for the sake of getting revenue, which just ain't working.

Perhaps boundaries need to be in place. Only one song from each album, rather than everything that is available. Essentially, the raw cut of "Constance Of The Universe" but nothing more from Bibleland. That way, only "Constance" gets repeated should the reissue happen. Consequently, this still creates a CD-R of some fan worth - a sort of retrospective of the band's output, only from the other side of the creative process.

Can you tell I really want a new DA recording to happen? Do it for Tim! Do it for Tim!!

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Posted by jiminy on 02-11-2008 at08:53:

 

Do it for Tim!

theres catchy phrase....

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Posted by Mountain Fan on 02-11-2008 at09:34:

 

i would rather see extras and oddities used for official releases and not confined to a limited fan-only release to support a new album, no matter how rare or rough

maybe another option is to have some of this type of material available NOW for those that pre-order, with the promise to make it available later to the general public for a larger price, after the release of the new album. Say charge $30 for preorders and they get a oddities CD NOW and the album when it comes out. For those choosing to wait maybe they have to pay $25 for the oddities CD and maybe $15-$20 for the new CD when it is available (a few years?)

i hate to see rare stuff going on ebay for high$. also, i feel a little bad copying rare stuff for others but i would do so if it wasn't available from DA or elsewhere. For example, I preordered DA Shotgun Angel 30th anniv. CD. If I was going to give this as a gift to someone (obtained from DA webstore or elsewhere) you can bet I would copy the extra CD that I got as a pre-orderer and give that too.

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Posted by dennis on 02-11-2008 at14:32:



Maybe bootleg concerts that would maybe never otherwise see offical release?
There has to be some cool concerts squirreled away in Ed or Tom's or Terry's garage!

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Posted by sondance on 02-11-2008 at14:47:

 

How about on line journal (on the password access forum) by the guys as they create the new CD plus some rehearsal takes ?

Discussion on development of lyric ideas ("I was reading Calvin and Hobbes in the john and came across this phrase...")

Song construction ("Took the brownies to the mall and there was this room full of those stuffed toy arcade machines with those grabby thingies in the middle. Every machine was playing the same tune completely out of time with the others...". "Watched a documentary on Aboriginal spear fishermen in the Andaman sea... they were whistling this tune to attract the fish...", etc.)

Recording sessions ("Terry came in wearing a thong and everyone went home for the day..." - there has to be a reason these things take so long).

Production "We needed a thumpy percussive sound on track 3 so we called Steve Baxter and asked him to come and keep time on the mic stand with his foot. This was fed through a back loop with chorus, high gain filter and low frequency boost..." sheesh if only I knew what I was talking about.

...... see, if DA would post this stuff I might learn something.