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Posted by dennis on 03-10-2008 at15:50:

 

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Originally posted by Jimmy Brown quote: Originally posted by dennis quote: Originally posted by Jimmy Brown quote: Originally posted by wakachiwaka ... anything Byrne ever told Weymouth to play. That is pretty funny! Not after spending much time on the TalkBass forums where someone says it everytime her name comes up. It might be different if it were true. After Tim, Weymouth is the player from whom I've learned the most.

No, I know, she is a great bass player.

I think the perception a lot of "rock people" have is that girls can't "rock."

That's kind of why it's funny to me.

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Posted by DwDunphy on 03-10-2008 at16:08:

 

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Originally posted by dennis quote: Originally posted by Jimmy Brown quote: Originally posted by dennis quote: Originally posted by Jimmy Brown quote: Originally posted by wakachiwaka ... anything Byrne ever told Weymouth to play. That is pretty funny! Not after spending much time on the TalkBass forums where someone says it everytime her name comes up. It might be different if it were true. After Tim, Weymouth is the player from whom I've learned the most. No, I know, she is a great bass player. I think the perception a lot of "rock people" have is that girls can't "rock." That's kind of why it's funny to me.

In deference to everyone, I think it's fair to say that an inordinate amount of the praise given to Talking Heads was heaped upon Byrne, and therefore there's the prevailing notion that the rest of the band were there more for filling up the stage than much else.

Of course it's not true, but that won't alter that perception.

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Posted by dennis on 03-10-2008 at17:48:

 

quote:

Originally posted by DwDunphy quote: Originally posted by dennis quote: Originally posted by Jimmy Brown quote: Originally posted by dennis quote: Originally posted by Jimmy Brown quote: Originally posted by wakachiwaka ... anything Byrne ever told Weymouth to play. That is pretty funny! Not after spending much time on the TalkBass forums where someone says it everytime her name comes up. It might be different if it were true. After Tim, Weymouth is the player from whom I've learned the most. No, I know, she is a great bass player. I think the perception a lot of "rock people" have is that girls can't "rock." That's kind of why it's funny to me. In deference to everyone, I think it's fair to say that an inordinate amount of the praise given to Talking Heads was heaped upon Byrne, and therefore there's the prevailing notion that the rest of the band were there more for filling up the stage than much else. Of course it's not true, but that won't alter that perception.

Yup. Very true.
That seems to happen a lot, for example Jim Morrison had the same deal going on for him, and there were other strong musicians and songwriters in The Doors besides him.

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Posted by jyroflux on 03-10-2008 at18:45:

 

This morning I dug out Bibleland (btw: is it Bibleland or BibleLand?). Coming on the heals of Motor Cycle, my favorite DA album, Bibleland threw me for a loop. The more accessible tunes, Broken Ladders to Glory, Out in the Cold and I'll Get Over It became instant favorites, but most of the rest of the album came off as very abrasive. Where Motor Cycle was shimmer and shine, Bibleland was rust and mildew in terms of sound.

Listening to Bibleand this morning I found that it stands up very well on its own. I had to cast off my expectations and just listen to it for what it is. I plan to listen to it a few more times in the coming days and weeks to see how it grows on me.

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Posted by DwDunphy on 03-10-2008 at19:42:

 

Bibleland typifies a favorite Rush lyric "Tough times demand tough songs".

I'm currently on a Motor Cycle kick myself because I need that rose-colored glory vision right now... And I think that the album was meant that way, just as Bibleland is meant to be a letter from the front where the bombs do drop and people do get hurt... and some die. It's powerful because it chronicles the saints and sinners alike, dazed, confused, punch drunk and throwing up over the lonely bridge of sighs.

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Posted by dennis on 03-10-2008 at20:27:

 

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Originally posted by jyroflux This morning I dug out Bibleland (btw: is it Bibleland or BibleLand?). Coming on the heals of Motor Cycle, my favorite DA album, Bibleland threw me for a loop. The more accessible tunes, Broken Ladders to Glory, Out in the Cold and I'll Get Over It became instant favorites, but most of the rest of the album came off as very abrasive. Where Motor Cycle was shimmer and shine, Bibleland was rust and mildew in terms of sound. Listening to Bibleand this morning I found that it stands up very well on its own. I had to cast off my expectations and just listen to it for what it is. I plan to listen to it a few more times in the coming days and weeks to see how it grows on me.

I felt that way about MotorCycle after Kalhoun, it was only after I was able to cast off my expectations could I really enjoy MotorCycle.


I go with BibleLand as that's what it says on the front cover!

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Posted by dennis on 03-10-2008 at20:28:

 

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Originally posted by DwDunphy Bibleland. It's powerful because it chronicles the saints and sinners alike, dazed, confused, punch drunk and throwing up over the lonely bridge of sighs.

Yes. Yes it is.

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Posted by ftg3plus4 on 03-11-2008 at07:14:

 

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Originally posted by dennis When I first saw BL in the store, I didn't even give it a chance I am sad to say. I saw the title and thought it was too "youth-groupie." Silly me.

I was just unprepared for BL's harshness & bleakness after having really enjoyed most of MOTOR CYCLE. I had to get past that before I could appreciate it.

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Originally posted by dennis I didn't know who had died there. I guess I missed the part about his grandfather. Thanks again. It is a very good song. I will have to listen to the disc again on my way home.

Again, why do the "official liner notes" shed no light on this? They sound like they were written by someone who had no idea what Terry was writing about and took a stab in the dark. The description of the song in the AMG profile of BL hits closer to the truth. (Sorry, just had to get that little peeve off my chest.)

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Posted by jiminy on 03-11-2008 at07:44:

 

to me the liner note rather typify (can we say it to oft?) the mood of the recording

one line shots (basically) on a one take project.

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Posted by wakachiwaka on 03-11-2008 at07:55:

 

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Originally posted by ftg3plus4 quote: Originally posted by dennis I didn't know who had died there. I guess I missed the part about his grandfather. Thanks again. It is a very good song. I will have to listen to the disc again on my way home. Again, why do the "official liner notes" shed no light on this? They sound like they were written by someone who had no idea what Terry was writing about and took a stab in the dark. The description of the song in the AMG profile of BL hits closer to the truth. (Sorry, just had to get that little peeve off my chest.)

Again, this portion of the 'official liner notes' was actually the description of the song 'Kalhoun' from THAT album's 'official liner notes' (published in Vertigo, the Fun Club newsrag). I'm sure it can be chalked up to clerical error.

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Posted by dennis on 03-11-2008 at08:33:

 

quote:

Originally posted by wakachiwaka quote: Originally posted by ftg3plus4 quote: Originally posted by dennis I didn't know who had died there. I guess I missed the part about his grandfather. Thanks again. It is a very good song. I will have to listen to the disc again on my way home. Again, why do the "official liner notes" shed no light on this? They sound like they were written by someone who had no idea what Terry was writing about and took a stab in the dark. The description of the song in the AMG profile of BL hits closer to the truth. (Sorry, just had to get that little peeve off my chest.) Again, this portion of the 'official liner notes' was actually the description of the song 'Kalhoun' from THAT album's 'official liner notes' (published in Vertigo, the Fun Club newsrag). I'm sure it can be chalked up to clerical error.

Yup.

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Posted by uvulapie on 03-11-2008 at15:17:

 

Good afternoon, Mr. Chandler. Having a slow Tuesday?

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Posted by uvulapie on 03-11-2008 at15:28:

  Real Men Don't Use Amp Modelers

Well, I was going to engage any and all comers in a rousing discussion about Pee Wee Herman but it appears that my time is up. Please pay the receptionist on your way out.

Speaking of Gene Eugene, my wife found a CD copy of Dig at the local goodwill. If anyone wants it I'm only asking $4 which will cover the $3 we paid for the CD plus $1 for shipping. Email me at uvulapie * yahoo

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Posted by wakachiwaka on 03-11-2008 at19:01:

 

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Originally posted by dennis quote: Originally posted by wakachiwaka Again, this portion of the 'official liner notes' was actually the description of the song 'Kalhoun' from THAT album's 'official liner notes' (published in Vertigo, the Fun Club newsrag). I'm sure it can be chalked up to clerical error. Yup.

Here's the real liner notes for 'Bakersfield', straight from Vertigo.

Bakersfield> Bleak human landscape, flat-roofed houses, bad breath, vacant lots and murder evidence. God saves and leads a remnant of scraggly, faithless people, in spite of themselves and just because He feels like it.

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Posted by dennis on 03-12-2008 at06:36:

 

Thanks!

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Posted by ftg3plus4 on 03-12-2008 at12:36:

 

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Bakersfield> Bleak human landscape, flat-roofed houses, bad breath, vacant lots and murder evidence. God saves and leads a remnant of scraggly, faithless people, in spite of themselves and just because He feels like it.

Actually, those are the notes I was referring to. Not a hint there about what Terry talked about in the interviews.

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Posted by NonProphet on 03-12-2008 at12:41:

  Bibleland & Motorcycle

I missed this thread first time around. But my memory of Bibleland was pretty cool... I was working at Ichthus as a liaison for Lost Dogs and Terry had brought a cassette rough mix of Bibleland which he proceeded to play (loudly) for myself and a stranger in the back seat of the SUV. I remember thinking "This really rocks... hard." Turns out the stranger was Jerry Chamberlain, whom I got to hang out with most of the weekend. We're now good friends, and I believe the cut we heard that day was "Constance of the Universe" which remains one of my faves.

Motorcycle is VERY high on my DA list, though, because of the production value on it, and because of Jerry's input (notice the "with Jerry Chamberlain" production credit. I've always credited Jerry with balancing the "art rock" direction some DA can take with a Beatlesque pop/rock sensibility (I admit... I'm a power-pop junkie). Nowhere is his contribution more evident than Motorcycle. Don't get me wrong... I love Greg, and his playing compliments Jerry's very well.

But when Jerry and Terry work together in production (remember Doppelganger?), the result is always magical, IMHO.

Steve B.

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Posted by Audiori J on 03-12-2008 at13:15:

 

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Originally posted by ftg3plus4 quote: Bakersfield> Bleak human landscape, flat-roofed houses, bad breath, vacant lots and murder evidence. God saves and leads a remnant of scraggly, faithless people, in spite of themselves and just because He feels like it. Actually, those are the notes I was referring to. Not a hint there about what Terry talked about in the interviews.

For the general market the songs sumary may have been put in a philosphical nutshell, but in an interview Terry can elaborate more personally. There usually is a lot more that inspires a song than what is generally expressed and often times people can assume they see the whole picture when it could be only an aspect. Case in point, the political references in Kalhoun were, according to Terry, his expressions about certain aspects of the then current administration. But one shoudln't then assume he is not critical about the other side as well, they just didn't happen to be in power at the time.

I believe, if I am not mistaken, Terry wrote the bakersfield song based on feelings he had when going to his grandfathers funeral. It could be taken as a slam of the city on face value, but I think there is more to it than that. Often times, we need to criticize or show the ugliness of the group we ourselves are a part of. The Church needs to recognise where we fail and point that out and accept it in order to not continue making the same mistakes.

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Posted by dennis on 03-12-2008 at17:09:

  RE: Bibleland & Motorcycle

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Originally posted by NonProphet But when Jerry and Terry work together in production (remember Doppelganger?), the result is always magical, IMHO. Steve B.

I agree.

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Posted by dennis on 03-12-2008 at17:10:

Thanks!

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Originally posted by NonProphet I missed this thread first time around. But my memory of Bibleland was pretty cool... I was working at Ichthus as a liaison for Lost Dogs and Terry had brought a cassette rough mix of Bibleland which he proceeded to play (loudly) for myself and a stranger in the back seat of the SUV. I remember thinking "This really rocks... hard." Turns out the stranger was Jerry Chamberlain, whom I got to hang out with most of the weekend. We're now good friends, and I believe the cut we heard that day was "Constance of the Universe" which remains one of my faves.

Great story!