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Posted by Chesterdox on 07-03-2008 at07:58:

 

What we need is a good laughing revival!






....I'm already laughing.

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Posted by peacebringer on 07-03-2008 at08:31:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Chesterdox What we need is a good laughing revival! ....I'm already laughing.

"I could laugh, but it's not funny"

MILLIONS BEING DECEIVED.

It just ain't funny.

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Posted by Chesterdox on 07-03-2008 at08:50:

 

Simma - dow - na

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Posted by peacebringer on 07-03-2008 at09:08:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Chesterdox Simma - dow - na

not able to see that picture at work here. Blocked.

I appreciate the humor. But we are in serious and dangerous times.

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Posted by Dr Rich on 07-03-2008 at09:15:

 

quote:

Originally posted by sondance that's the observation of the human plight stuff - you have to spin it backwards to get the prophetic stuff

I have to agree with you on this one!

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Posted by Dr Rich on 07-03-2008 at09:16:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Strange Animal and we all know wikipedia is a reliable source.......

Yes. Yes we do!

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Posted by jiminy on 07-03-2008 at09:21:

 

Peace-
I agree-the times are such that hunger is overtaking common sense.


I spent 14 years in a denomination that has been branded a Cult- it looked different from the inside- believe me-

but I know Jesus cared for my heart all the while- n looking back- I sifted the wheat from the chaff.


I am a real proponent of this- if you are drawn to something in sincerity- (even if it ends up being goofy-or worse-potential spiritual harm)-if your heart was looking for Jesus in it all- He can still be found.

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Posted by Chesterdox on 07-03-2008 at09:43:

 

quote:

Originally posted by jiminy I am a real proponent of this- if you are drawn to something in sincerity- (even if it ends up being goofy-or worse-potential spiritual harm)-if your heart was looking for Jesus in it all- He can still be found.

I agree. As a new Christian at the age of 19 I was in a church that was up to its neck in all of that craziness (laughing revival, everybody hoping to get "a word" from the prophet-du-jour, etc.), and God helped me to discern the good from the bad... eventually.

Peace, I'm not denying the seriousness of what's happening, but we are always in "serious & dangerous times." I think if we let ourselves feel the whole weight of all that's evil in the world (from very real torture to child molestation to the starvation and abandonment of little children) absent the ability to laugh, then, well, Terry & gang would only make Bibleland albums and not Swirling Eddies albums... and that would not be good.

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Posted by sprinklerhead on 07-03-2008 at10:06:

 

quote:

Originally posted by peacebringer If you go to the other 2 sites I referenced there are good articles. I will summarize though. In essessence Mr. Bentley is mixing Christianity with New Age and Gnosticism. He has referenced astral projection, vistis to the 3rd heaven and other such things. He early on stated that he was told he needed to teach on Angels and not Jesus. And that the church already knows about Jesus and needs to believe in the angels and supernatural. In essence the healings are connected to healing angels. False prophet Bob Jones sent him his angels. He also is reported to have the same "angel" as William Braham who claimed he was Elijah. The healing "display" is even over and above what you see with Benny Hinn. Also he was commissioned by the likes of NAR folks starting with C Peter Wagner. I hadn't realized the full extent of NAR thinking until God woke me up to this stuff. This is serious stuff. Mr. Bentley is also teaching that His annointing is transferable. There have been testemonies by some of being approached by demonic after exposure to the events at lakeland. The wiki article like I said is unbaised reporting of facts.

What's the deal with C. Peter Wagner? I haven't heard much about him since I was part of the Vineyard in the early 90's.

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Posted by jiminy on 07-03-2008 at11:57:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Chesterdox quote: Originally posted by jiminy I am a real proponent of this- if you are drawn to something in sincerity- (even if it ends up being goofy-or worse-potential spiritual harm)-if your heart was looking for Jesus in it all- He can still be found. I agree. As a new Christian at the age of 19 I was in a church that was up to its neck in all of that craziness (laughing revival, everybody hoping to get "a word" from the prophet-du-jour, etc.), and God helped me to discern the good from the bad... eventually. Peace, I'm not denying the seriousness of what's happening, but we are always in "serious & dangerous times." I think if we let ourselves feel the whole weight of all that's evil in the world (from very real torture to child molestation to the starvation and abandonment of little children) absent the ability to laugh, then, well, Terry & gang would only make Bibleland albums and not Swirling Eddies albums... and that would not be good.

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Ch-dox
man- I wish we were a bit closer (though one state with this community ain't bad-)
I'd love to buy you a coffee and pick yer brain-I think we think Alike - I think

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Posted by peacebringer on 07-03-2008 at12:24:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Chesterdox quote: Originally posted by jiminy I am a real proponent of this- if you are drawn to something in sincerity- (even if it ends up being goofy-or worse-potential spiritual harm)-if your heart was looking for Jesus in it all- He can still be found. I agree. As a new Christian at the age of 19 I was in a church that was up to its neck in all of that craziness (laughing revival, everybody hoping to get "a word" from the prophet-du-jour, etc.), and God helped me to discern the good from the bad... eventually. Peace, I'm not denying the seriousness of what's happening, but we are always in "serious & dangerous times." I think if we let ourselves feel the whole weight of all that's evil in the world (from very real torture to child molestation to the starvation and abandonment of little children) absent the ability to laugh, then, well, Terry & gang would only make Bibleland albums and not Swirling Eddies albums... and that would not be good.

Sorry, I have humor. I love the swirling eddies. I loved the Door prior to Yanocelli (sp) selling it to Ole Anothny (shudder). Sometimes I react emotionally. There is a lot going on, a lot God have opened my eyes to. And yes we don't need to case after every little bit of evil, but seeing the move of the enemy, seeing people decevied and possibly heading toward falling away is serious. But I am not beyond laughter. I know God is in control as Vox Humana and Fearful Symmetry clearly delineate in contrast to Alarma and Doppleganger.

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Posted by peacebringer on 07-03-2008 at12:28:

 

quote:

Originally posted by sprinklerhead quote: Originally posted by peacebringer If you go to the other 2 sites I referenced there are good articles. I will summarize though. In essessence Mr. Bentley is mixing Christianity with New Age and Gnosticism. He has referenced astral projection, vistis to the 3rd heaven and other such things. He early on stated that he was told he needed to teach on Angels and not Jesus. And that the church already knows about Jesus and needs to believe in the angels and supernatural. In essence the healings are connected to healing angels. False prophet Bob Jones sent him his angels. He also is reported to have the same "angel" as William Braham who claimed he was Elijah. The healing "display" is even over and above what you see with Benny Hinn. Also he was commissioned by the likes of NAR folks starting with C Peter Wagner. I hadn't realized the full extent of NAR thinking until God woke me up to this stuff. This is serious stuff. Mr. Bentley is also teaching that His annointing is transferable. There have been testemonies by some of being approached by demonic after exposure to the events at lakeland. The wiki article like I said is unbaised reporting of facts. What's the deal with C. Peter Wagner? I haven't heard much about him since I was part of the Vineyard in the early 90's.

Mr Wagner, is essentially proclaiming himself a chief apostle and heading the New Apostolic Reformation which is also interconnected with Latter Rain, Third Wave, The River, and Joel's Army theology. It is essentially dominionism and Kingdom now theology. Ultimately teaching Manifest Sons of God doctrine. THis is all stuff behind Lakeland outside of the new age and the demonic stuff. www.deceptionbytes.com</a> has a good article on that New Apostolic Reformation. Also looking up any of those terms can get you tons of information.

And I didn't come here to be an alarmist. I came essentially to express gratitude to Daniel Amos for what seems to be prophetic (Not in terms of predicting future but in terms of speaking to the heart in such matter.)

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Posted by peacebringer on 07-03-2008 at12:30:

 

quote:

Originally posted by jiminy Peace- I agree-the times are such that hunger is overtaking common sense. I spent 14 years in a denomination that has been branded a Cult- it looked different from the inside- believe me- but I know Jesus cared for my heart all the while- n looking back- I sifted the wheat from the chaff. I am a real proponent of this- if you are drawn to something in sincerity- (even if it ends up being goofy-or worse-potential spiritual harm)-if your heart was looking for Jesus in it all- He can still be found.

And I don't doubt that for a minute. Yet, I also believe some will be tempted and walk after the flesh, the eyes, or the pride of life and "fall away." God does seek after his own and sends out his "sheep dogs" as a pastor from my childhood used to preach.

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Posted by peacebringer on 07-03-2008 at12:33:

 

quote:

Originally posted by peacebringer quote: Originally posted by Chesterdox quote: Originally posted by jiminy I am a real proponent of this- if you are drawn to something in sincerity- (even if it ends up being goofy-or worse-potential spiritual harm)-if your heart was looking for Jesus in it all- He can still be found. I agree. As a new Christian at the age of 19 I was in a church that was up to its neck in all of that craziness (laughing revival, everybody hoping to get "a word" from the prophet-du-jour, etc.), and God helped me to discern the good from the bad... eventually. Peace, I'm not denying the seriousness of what's happening, but we are always in "serious & dangerous times." I think if we let ourselves feel the whole weight of all that's evil in the world (from very real torture to child molestation to the starvation and abandonment of little children) absent the ability to laugh, then, well, Terry & gang would only make Bibleland albums and not Swirling Eddies albums... and that would not be good. Sorry, I have humor. I love the swirling eddies. I loved the Door prior to Yanocelli (sp) selling it to Ole Anothny (shudder). Sometimes I react emotionally. There is a lot going on, a lot God have opened my eyes to. And yes we don't need to case after every little bit of evil, but seeing the move of the enemy, seeing people decevied and possibly heading toward falling away is serious. But I am not beyond laughter. I know God is in control as Vox Humana and Fearful Symmetry clearly delineate in contrast to Alarma and Doppleganger.

oh, and I just wanted an excuse to use the 77's line.

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Posted by Chesterdox on 07-03-2008 at13:59:

 



I appreciate your concern, Peace, and I think it's appropriate. Some people will be hurt by the new hucksters, no doubt.

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Posted by Chesterdox on 07-03-2008 at14:02:

 

Hey Jimsy, what kind of coffee? I'm partial to a good mocha myself.

Even if we didn't think alike, I bet we'd get along swimmingly.

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Posted by jiminy on 07-03-2008 at16:03:

 

Mocha sounds great!
Us MN DAMBers do try to get to gether - I will alarm you (hmmm- speaking of the Alarm- they are coming to the Twin Cities end of month. 1st ave
would love to see them- and may-)

anyway- we should/could hook up sometime. Been a while since we met
(Mike n Terry BBQ???)- FIVE years ago in August!

thinking alike does not mean thinking the same things..but more about a similar approach to things perhaps??

anyway again -i looked at a few Bentley youtubes- this guy is out there . Its not that I deplore enthusiasm, (remember - some thought the Eddies antics on stage were violent) -

but theres somethin about his Big- Better- Best- BAM! approach that sounds hollow.

I cant see scriptures where Jesus "Whipped up the crowd"
other then when he used a whip to dump over the tables n drive em out -
I don't think that was considered a "church move"

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Posted by peacebringer on 07-03-2008 at22:37:

 

quote:

Originally posted by jiminy Mocha sounds great! Us MN DAMBers do try to get to gether - I will alarm you (hmmm- speaking of the Alarm- they are coming to the Twin Cities end of month. 1st ave would love to see them- and may-) anyway- we should/could hook up sometime. Been a while since we met (Mike n Terry BBQ???)- FIVE years ago in August! thinking alike does not mean thinking the same things..but more about a similar approach to things perhaps?? anyway again -i looked at a few Bentley youtubes- this guy is out there . Its not that I deplore enthusiasm, (remember - some thought the Eddies antics on stage were violent) - but theres somethin about his Big- Better- Best- BAM! approach that sounds hollow. I cant see scriptures where Jesus "Whipped up the crowd" other then when he used a whip to dump over the tables n drive em out - I don't think that was considered a "church move"

Heh, from Mn here also....

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Posted by peacebringer on 07-03-2008 at22:40:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Chesterdox I appreciate your concern, Peace, and I think it's appropriate. Some people will be hurt by the new hucksters, no doubt.

THese new hucksters are continuations off the old ones.
Sometimes I expect people to see the connections and big picture I see when my eyes get opened to something. All this NAR heaven to earth, manifest sons of God, Lakeland outpouring Bam Bam nonesense, needs a real good Goldly skewering.

Of couse Songs of the Heart hits at a lot of it.

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Posted by jiminy on 07-04-2008 at00:12:

 

I could be decieved but I beleive
that I just got a healing from....



EVANGELINE!