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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-15-2003 at23:57:

I know one thing for sure, if what is available now was shipped faster there would be many more orders. I hate to say it but I bought Crying Towel on ebay because I didn't want to wait months to get it. If the store shipped faster I would be happy to pay a few extra bucks but when you order Christmas presents in the summer and you don't get them in time for Christmas it makes you want to buy elseware (didn't really happen but you get my point). If sales went up because orders were shipped quickly you might find a little cash to do another project. No guarantee but it is a suggestion.

Posted by DaLe on 05-16-2003 at08:36:

quote:

Originally posted by Michelle
Continuing to beat a dead horse won't get it on its feet.

and never look a Gift Horse in the mouth...

Posted by Michelle on 05-16-2003 at11:10:

quote:

Originally posted by dorfsmith
I know one thing for sure, if what is available now was shipped faster there would be many more orders. I hate to say it but I bought Crying Towel on ebay because I didn't want to wait months to get it. If the store shipped faster I would be happy to pay a few extra bucks . . . If sales went up because orders were shipped quickly you might find a little cash to do another project. No guarantee but it is a suggestion.

I appreciate your gracious attitude, but for every person who's willing to pay a little more, there's one or more who are complaining that the prices are already too high, so they buy where it's cheaper. It's the proverbial rock and hard place. Charge more so you can provide better service and people buy elsewhere because it's cheaper. Charge less and compromise service and people buy elsewhere because it's faster. Making the choice to buy elsewhere is the right of every consumer, but unless someone, somewhere, is willing to shoulder the actual costs there won't be any new product to buy. Anywhere.

Posted by Lur King on 05-16-2003 at11:15:

quote:

Originally posted by Michelle

Making the choice to buy elsewhere is the right of every consumer

Making the choice to Sell elsewhere is the right of every song writer...

Posted by brd2yrmother on 05-16-2003 at11:21:

This kind of bugs me. Isn't this idea basically what pre-ordering those last several CDs was really all about? By pre-ordering we were supposed to be executive producers, so to speak. The fact that the money was most likely used for other things (even if they were viable needs of the band) makes me hesitant to lay down more money on the faith that it will be used for what it is supposed to be used for. I don't think I've ever complained about service or anything else from the DA-store. I have enjoyed everything I've received and any problems I've had have been taken care of. I do know that when I owned a store and a customer special ordered a product (prepaying for something that I didn't have on hand), I used that money to get their product even if I still didn't have money to pay rent or food. I think that's the key point here. It wasn't my money until I'd given the customer what it was they had paid for. Until the product was in the customer's hands, it was still their money.

Posted by pistolpete on 05-16-2003 at11:41:

I've ordered all the recent releases from lo-fidelity. The service is REALLY fast and it supports the band. I realize some people think that the only way you can support the band is from buyng directly from the bands web-stores, but that is really not true. Buying from the label (in this case) also means that they can put more stuff out. Just an added thought to the whole discussion.

Peter Anderson

Posted by brd2yrmother on 05-16-2003 at11:42:

lo-fidelity rocks.

Posted by Mark on 05-16-2003 at12:08:

There was one thing posted by audiori in the past three weeks where they said that they had not mailed off orders to people because they had to sell more product before they could have enough money to ship existing orders. If I read this correctly, I'm surprised no one complained about this. If I were one of those who had already paid, my stuff should be shipped. After all I would have paid for the product + shipping.

Please forgive me if I did misunderstand that particular post. If I could find it in a search, I'd pull it up.

Posted by brd2yrmother on 05-16-2003 at12:15:

That is what they said. I hadn't thought of it that way before. That is pretty bad.

Posted by DaLe on 05-16-2003 at12:18:

Post Apocalyptic Records

quote:

Originally posted by DaLe uReViG
DAconomics is a great word...

NoW you GoT me thinking... praying... wondering...

The label is funded and operated by fans of Stuart Davis (Dr. Rich?)

http://stuartdavis.com/par/

Formed in 1999 by Stu and a crash of gurus disguised as investors, Post Apocalyptic generates financing on a project-to-project basis by selling shares to fans. Both Bright Apocalypse (1999) and Stuart Davis (2001) were funded this way. In addition to the dough, some 150 supporters have stepped forward to make a rock n' roll Sangha of street teams. These "punk monks" bring integral pop to the world, and the world to Stu shows. Postering, handing out flyers, selling merchandise at shows, increasing Stu's presence online, bringing friends to shows, booking shows, getting Stuart CDs in record stores, calling radio stations, and teaching parrots in pet shops to screech "Even The Devil Is God!"- are all part of the love that is promotion.

Posted by carl on 05-16-2003 at12:19:

quote:

Originally posted by Mark
There was one thing posted by audiori in the past three weeks where they said that they had not mailed off orders to people because they had to sell more product before they could have enough money to ship existing orders. If I read this correctly, I'm surprised no one complained about this. If I were one of those who had already paid, my stuff should be shipped. After all I would have paid for the product + shipping.

Please forgive me if I did misunderstand that particular post. If I could find it in a search, I'd pull it up.

It's in my AC post (currently just below this one).... So, anyone wanna burn me a disk and save 'em a buck or two? Big Grin

Posted by DaLe on 05-16-2003 at12:20:

sell mp3's or CD's online

http://stuartdavis.com/albums/unreleased/1999studiodemo/

Stuart Davis - 1999 Studio Demo

Complete Album (MP3 album includes cover artwork) $8.00 or actual CD for $15.00
plus S&H (Shipping charges are $3 for the first item ordered and $1 for each additional item)

Stuart Davis - Mother Fools-March 22, 2002 Show
This two-disc Complete Album
(MP3 album includes cover artwork) $15.00

choice $8.00 or $18.00 you decide what you want...

Posted by DaLe on 05-16-2003 at12:22:

link to Ebay

if you can't beat them JoiN them . . . Big Grin

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DAconomics : I am still thinking... praying... wondering...

\/ - thanks, brd2yrmother

Posted by brd2yrmother on 05-16-2003 at12:23:

good ideas, DAle.

Posted by Michelle on 05-16-2003 at12:40:

quote:

Originally posted by brd2yrmother
This kind of bugs me. Isn't this idea basically what pre-ordering those last several CDs was really all about? By pre-ordering we were supposed to be executive producers, so to speak. The fact that the money was most likely used for other things (even if they were viable needs of the band) makes me hesitant to lay down more money on the faith that it will be used for what it is supposed to be used for. I don't think I've ever complained about service or anything else from the DA-store. I have enjoyed everything I've received and any problems I've had have been taken care of. I do know that when I owned a store and a customer special ordered a product (prepaying for something that I didn't have on hand), I used that money to get their product even if I still didn't have money to pay rent or food. I think that's the key point here. It wasn't my money until I'd given the customer what it was they had paid for. Until the product was in the customer's hands, it was still their money.

I agree with you. This never should have happened. It should never happen again.

Posted by John Foxe on 05-16-2003 at12:45:

Here's something

Audioris, do you want an idea to save money on future web store releases?

I have broadband; the majority of Internet users will be on broadband within the next few years. How about if you create a secure area on the site and let those who paid for the product (e.g. DEDT deux) have the option to download the MP3's instead, and supply the artwork as downloadable graphics. Then I'll just burn a CD and print my own artwork.

When you ship a "virtual" product rather than a physical, this saves tremendously on not only postage and packaging, but time and effort, I think. That's assuming you have a web guy that can rapidly build pages for this purpose.

What's the benefit for the consumer? Well, among other things we won't have to wait until next year to get the product.

Can't get too much more efficient than that...

Posted by Michelle on 05-16-2003 at12:51:

quote:

Originally posted by pistolpete
I've ordered all the recent releases from lo-fidelity. The service is REALLY fast and it supports the band. I realize some people think that the only way you can support the band is from buyng directly from the bands web-stores, but that is really not true. Buying from the label (in this case) also means that they can put more stuff out. Just an added thought to the whole discussion.

Peter Anderson

Good point. I hope everyone will buy from lo-fidelity as well, but somehow Terry and company need to generate enough money to pay costs beyond CD production and distribution, such as rent, food, clothes, medical care, etc. There are production expenses and then there are living expenses. With such a small fan base it's extremely difficult to make enough profit to live on.

Posted by zippetydoodaddy on 05-16-2003 at12:57:

Feed the Worrr-uld!

Do they know it's Christmastime?

Feed the Worrr-uld!

Do they know it's Christmastime?

Feed the Worrr-uld!

Do they know it's Christmastime?

Feed the Worrr-uld!

Do they know it's Christmastime?

Posted by Michelle on 05-16-2003 at13:03:

quote:

Originally posted by brd2yrmother
good ideas, DAle.

Yessirree! I'd much rather hear some creative solutions than continual harping on the problems. We all know there have been big problems; the question is how can this little ministry/business compete with the Big Boys, stay afloat, and keep Terry and company warm and filled?

Posted by Dr Rich on 05-16-2003 at16:16:

That's Stuart's label.

quote:

Originally posted by DaLe uReViG

quote:

Originally posted by DaLe uReViG
DAconomics is a great word...

NoW you GoT me thinking... praying... wondering...