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Posted by zippetydoodaddy on 02-24-2004 at11:11:

  The Passion Of The Christ

I always touted "The Twist" as one of the most hard hitting crucifixion songs in all of Christian music, oh and "Old Rugged Cross".

Gritty and gory, Terry captures the stress and pain of Good Friday.

I saw "The Passion" last night and now I can't help but here those words in my head. If you don't know the song, read the lyrics below and take them with you in your head to see the movie. It was an enhancement I now cherish.

The Twist


from the album "Zoom Daddy"
Words by Terry Taylor, Music by Terry Taylor, David Raven, Jerry Chamberlain and Tim Chander
©1988 Broken Songs

hang on, believe
there's nothing up my sleeve
i've got no magic tricks to save the day
put down the gun
you're not helping anyone
and i'm not about to run or back away

don't walk the fence
then come to my defense
i don't need fair weather kinds of friends around
so watch and pray
as a traitor's kiss betrays
and rest your feet of clay on shaky ground

chorus
and look me in the face, at least what's left of it
tell me you still love me just a little bit
or nail me down, break the skin
hard enough to do me in
but don't leave me hanging
dying and dangling
twisting in the wind

here, touch my side
let doubt be crucified
nailed with your wounded pride
to love's grim altar
here, taste my flesh
my bloody humanness
i am no phantom guest
no skinless martyr

so taste and feel
there's nothing to conceal
you always knew the deal
as sacrifice
stand up, be strong
when all you've got is gone
i left the light turned on in paradise

chorus

and when the walls cave in
and the curtain's torn asunder
you'll know we're near the end
you'll hear me in the thunder
and when the sun grows dim
this will be your sign and wonder
that soon we'll meet again
just like we did last summer

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Posted by dorfsmith on 02-24-2004 at11:22:

 

The Twist is hands down the best "Christian" song ever written!!!

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Posted by zippetydoodaddy on 02-24-2004 at11:35:

 

Dorf - would you say "hands NAILED down it's the best Christian song ever written"?

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Posted by dorfsmith on 02-24-2004 at11:38:

 

That works too

I'm looking foreward to seeing the passion sometime this week. Was all the controversey overrated?

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Posted by zippetydoodaddy on 02-24-2004 at11:43:

 

Do you mean the "Jews killed Jesus" controversy?

Or do you mean the "Jesus died for my sin" controversy?

Let's say this is one of the first movies I can recall where the film throttled it's own hype. My expectations were high and that usually wrecks a film for me. But this was different. After seeing the film, the hype felt more like a preparation to be moved. And I'm glad I was prepared because I was moved more than I expected.

Savvy?

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Posted by jiminy on 02-24-2004 at11:55:

 

quote:

Originally posted by dorfsmith The Twist is hands down the best "Christian" song ever written!!!

i hate to sound trite- but when i first got ZD I was rifling thru the tracks - and the melody and instrumentation grabbed me , "hmm, this is a great sounding song!"

Later when I read the lyric sheet I almost felt guilty, not hearing the somber tone of the message- and Dorf - I heartily agree-
its one of the best out there- period, and hands down the most direct- as I think Gibson is trying to portray on film.

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Posted by wes berlin on 02-24-2004 at12:50:

 

quote:

Originally posted by zippetydoodaddy Dorf - would you say "hands NAILED down it's the best Christian song ever written"?

i go back and forth between "the twist" and "you lay down"

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Posted by John Foxe on 02-24-2004 at12:54:

 

"The Twist" almost always gives me shivers... 10 years later...

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Posted by dorfsmith on 02-24-2004 at13:24:

 

quote:

Originally posted by zippetydoodaddy Do you mean the "Jews killed Jesus" controversy? Or do you mean the "Jesus died for my sin" controversy? Let's say this is one of the first movies I can recall where the film throttled it's own hype. My expectations were high and that usually wrecks a film for me. But this was different. After seeing the film, the hype felt more like a preparation to be moved. And I'm glad I was prepared because I was moved more than I expected. Savvy?

I've heard people say it's anti Jew and I've heard people say it's too bloody. I personally don't find any of their points to be valid. Jews killed Jesus and that's all there is to it. They let a crazy guy go just to have Jesus murdered.

I can't wait to see it.

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Posted by dorfsmith on 02-24-2004 at13:25:

 

quote:

Originally posted by John Foxe "The Twist" almost always gives me shivers... 10 years later...

I think that is the only song ever that has actually given me the shivers.

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Posted by jiminy on 02-24-2004 at13:55:

 

ZIPPY-

Having seen it- what would you suggest for a suitable age to see this film?
I've just heard so many different things- what do you think?

(I have a 13 year old girl who may want to go with her youth group.)

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Posted by wes berlin on 02-24-2004 at14:08:

 

i am not zippitydodahdittydowah......but i have seen it and i would say that it depends on your children. my 15 year old is going but my 14 year old isn't. amanda, my 14 year old, just doesn't do well with violence and she has decided that she will wait.....and i agree. now joshua, our 15 year old, is ready and is looking forward to it.

it is graphic. it is hard to watch (at times). and i believe it was worse in person.

i am taking my son with me so that we can dialogue about the film and the sacrifice. he then wants to see it with his youth group....which is fine with us....but the first time it's with the parents.

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Posted by jiminy on 02-24-2004 at14:41:

 

Thx Wes.

My 16 year old has no inclination to see it- and I am fine with that.
i do agree that each young person is different, just as some adults are.

I personally do not gear much toward violent movies (braveheart for instance- left me feeling uneasy- and films like Pulp Fiction and Black Rain- to name two- I just shut off- a bit to much for me- just my opinion.)
I have no inclination to see Kill Bill- ..Natural Born Killers..etc- you get the drift.

But I'm hearing things like "goriest movie EVER."
guess I find that hard to believe, with all the "slasher" films out there...)
Appreciate your comments, Wes.

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Posted by Joey T. on 02-24-2004 at15:03:



i want to see this movie, but i usually only see movies in theaters if i'm on a date or with my son.....
this is definitely not a date movie, nor for a 5 yr old.....
but i do want to see it.....

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Posted by zippetydoodaddy on 02-24-2004 at15:04:

 

quote:

Originally posted by wes berlin quote: Originally posted by zippetydoodaddy Dorf - would you say "hands NAILED down it's the best Christian song ever written"? i go back and forth between "the twist" and "you lay down"

Add "Tired Eyes of Faith" and you have my Easter list down!

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Posted by zippetydoodaddy on 02-24-2004 at15:10:

 

quote:

Originally posted by jiminy ZIPPY- Having seen it- what would you suggest for a suitable age to see this film? I've just heard so many different things- what do you think? (I have a 13 year old girl who may want to go with her youth group.)

I agree with wes. It's frickin ugly! and if your kids are innocent, I mean if Star Wars is the worst they've seen, don't put them through this. If you don't limit their viewing and they can quote Scream or Chuckie, this will be a topper they can handle.

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Posted by jiminy on 02-24-2004 at15:54:

 

Adrea(13) is affected by imagery.

After I saw FOTR (remember she was only 11 then) I refrained from having her see it til it came out on DVD - just to tell her about the Orc visuals etc.

I am thinking that I should probably see it first-will let you know.

I told her that already- and she rolled her eyes and sighed (hmm, I never saw THAT before...)

As far as Chuckie or Scream- she'd be at the foot of our bed for a month after any exposure to that.....

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Posted by Mountain Fan on 02-24-2004 at22:58:

  movie review

Definitely worth seeing. I basically quit going to movies but this one was worth it. Very accurate. Some things I thought "was that really in the Bible?" I looked and yep it was there in at least one of the Gospel accounts.

NOT the goriest movie ever. I saw a number of slasher films in high school to early college years (late 80s, early 90s) and this didn't come close. It IS gory however, and be careful with your children. Know your child is the best policy. Probably some 13 yr olds can handle and some 18 year olds can't!

Not anti-Semitic like many of the Jews push it to be. Just reality. Anti-Semitism really depends on bad response to the fact of Jewish involvement without knowing the whole story anyway.

More emotional than gory, especially since most of us are intimately familiar with the whole thing.

Here is what I sent to our local paper, hoping to get a jump on the editorials:
I have seen a lot of negative publicity about this movie, especially from those worried about it fueling Anti-Semitism. My reaction was far from this. The movie did show Jewish involvement in Jesus' crucifixion, as given in Biblical and historical accounts. However, my greatest reaction is compassion and pity on people led astray by their leaders who miss Truth. This includes Jews of Jesus' day, Christian Crusaders, Germans of Hitlers' time and, yes, even some prominent so-called "Christian" leaders of today. Regardless of your faith (or lack thereof) you owe it to yourself to see this movie with an open mind and let it touch your heart. Ask yourself the questions: What and Who is Truth? and What if I'm wrong? Look closely at the people in different positions (leaders, followers, government officials, etc.) in the movie and the different ways each asked and answered these questions.

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Posted by HEMISPHERICALHEADS on 02-25-2004 at19:47:

  RE: The Passion Of The Christ

quote:

Originally posted by zippetydoodaddy I always touted "The Twist" as one of the most hard hitting crucifixion songs in all of Christian music, oh and "Old Rugged Cross". Gritty and gory, Terry captures the stress and pain of Good Friday. I saw "The Passion" last night and now I can't help but here those words in my head. If you don't know the song, read the lyrics below and take them with you in your head to see the movie. It was an enhancement I now cherish.

A big thanks for the tip Zipster....
I think I will print out the words to that and go over them with the group of friends I am going to see it with this Sunday.

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Posted by DwDunphy on 02-26-2004 at09:06:

  An important distinction

"Jews killed Jesus" because he was in Jerusalem. If the continents were different and Jesus was crucified in Boise, then you could argue that Idahoans killed Jesus... But let's not see this as the faith of Judaism, because that's what's causing the strife, so much as it is the people of a region where Christ was crucified. Putting names to it reinforces the disconnect the movie sets to tear down.

How so?

It's not that the Jews chose Barrabbas, it's that humanity took the easy way out instead of confronting the truth, and our own sin, head on. The movie shows the Son of God taking the hard path that was expected, that was MEANT, for every single one of us. Now, in our enlightened modern mindset, we see Jesus getting laid out in a holy headlock by Roman centurians, and his inert body is strapped to a cross, all clean and neat. Jesus mumbles and dies and, three days later, he exits the tomb with baskets of Reeses Peanut Butter Cups and Marshmallow Peeps.

The movie graphically and disturbingly portrays what, by all credible accounts, crucifixion was: a slow mutilation to scare the masses "straight". We complain that it's too bloody, it glorifies the cult of death rather than the glory of God, that it is the image of mangled meat on the sticks versus the risen messiah, partly because there's truth in arguing that way. But deep down, we're also a little convicted.

There's the disconnect falling away. We start asking ourselves, was it that horrible? Did this man suffer this way? And the reason he suffered as such is because he was taking on humanity's just burden?

I'm not surprised people are horrified about the movie. I'm not surprised that they're condemning it as they are. I'm not even surprised they're attacking Mel Gibson as a radical, a Jew-hater and a gore monger. They attack because that's all they've got. In the face of an awesome and heartbreaking reinterpretation of what this act was, all they have is words as they seek to shore up their walls, connection by connection, hoping that they'll feel better tomorrow and this will all just go away.

DwD