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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-17-2005 at08:27:

 

quote:

Originally posted by jiminy If you have Cornerstone 84, (and the Anaheim Show) take a minute to look at the differences between the bands- and the audience. It is AMAZING! The audience looks well, pretty much like Napolean Dynamite.

I am not sure what it means, but it's an interesting observation.

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-17-2005 at09:41:

 

Yes I was talking about the market having No Sense of History.
In fact they don't care about the history. And my point is about
the focus. Its like we (the market) has gone from one extreme to
the other.

In the early days of say Harmony Magazine, I believe the focus
was on the message and what these bands had to say. In fact
the magazine is primarily text. Yes, it has an amature grass roots
look. But compare that to today, what I see in Christian magazines
is wonderful artwork and images and little content. I think the markets
focus is no longer on the message but primarily on the dollar.
The slick advertising they spend a lot of money on to push their
new Britney Spears as Dorf said. Its shallow.

Fans of the earlier music are turned off by the modern Christian
magazines and radio. I used to buy every issue could get my
hands on because I wanted to read what the artists had to say.
I didnt care about seeing full color full page ads of some airbrushed
face. I quit buying the magazines.

I realize there is a money market there, and they target a certain
teen audience. But if the substance is lost, isn't it just the same as
Teen Beat?

But my real point is those old fans that were turned off by the
commercialism lost track of these old bands because they are
no longer 'in the market'. They don't buy the magazines, which don't
show them anyway, and the don't listen to Christian radio because
it don't play them anyway. And if they don't have internet, they
have no idea these bands are still around.

This is just a long explination of where these guys audience went.
I think the switch in the market drove off a large porton of the
original fans.

My theory is reinforced in my mind by the constant emails we recieve
by old fans who had lost track over the years.

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Posted by sprinklerhead on 05-17-2005 at10:08:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Audiori J In the early days of say Harmony Magazine, I believe the focus was on the message and what these bands had to say. In fact the magazine is primarily text. Yes, it has an amature grass roots look. But compare that to today, what I see in Christian magazines is wonderful artwork and images and little content. I think the markets focus is no longer on the message but primarily on the dollar. The slick advertising they spend a lot of money on to push their new Britney Spears as Dorf said. Its shallow.

I think there is a clear reason for this. Many of the Christian labels have been purchased by secular companies that saw a channel for making money. They have no interest in the message. Are the magazines also being bought by larger secular companies?

Maybe it is time for Jesus to cleanse the temple again.

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Posted by sprinklerhead on 05-17-2005 at10:11:

 

quote:

Originally posted by jiminy If you have Cornerstone 84, (and the Anaheim Show) take a minute to look at the differences between the bands- and the audience. It is AMAZING! The audience looks well, pretty much like Napolean Dynamite.

I was there in 84 and I resemble that remark.

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-17-2005 at10:18:

 

quote:

Originally posted by sprinklerhead quote: Originally posted by Audiori J In the early days of say Harmony Magazine, I believe the focus was on the message and what these bands had to say. In fact the magazine is primarily text. Yes, it has an amature grass roots look. But compare that to today, what I see in Christian magazines is wonderful artwork and images and little content. I think the markets focus is no longer on the message but primarily on the dollar. The slick advertising they spend a lot of money on to push their new Britney Spears as Dorf said. Its shallow. I think there is a clear reason for this. Many of the Christian labels have been purchased by secular companies that saw a channel for making money. They have no interest in the message. Are the magazines also being bought by larger secular companies? Maybe it is time for Jesus to cleanse the temple again.

Yes, I am sure thats behind it.

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-17-2005 at10:27:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Audiori J Yes I was talking about the market having No Sense of History. In fact they don't care about the history. And my point is about the focus. Its like we (the market) has gone from one extreme to the other. In the early days of say Harmony Magazine, I believe the focus was on the message and what these bands had to say. In fact the magazine is primarily text. Yes, it has an amature grass roots look. But compare that to today, what I see in Christian magazines is wonderful artwork and images and little content. I think the markets focus is no longer on the message but primarily on the dollar. The slick advertising they spend a lot of money on to push their new Britney Spears as Dorf said. Its shallow. Fans of the earlier music are turned off by the modern Christian magazines and radio. I used to buy every issue could get my hands on because I wanted to read what the artists had to say. I didnt care about seeing full color full page ads of some airbrushed face. I quit buying the magazines. I realize there is a money market there, and they target a certain teen audience. But if the substance is lost, isn't it just the same as Teen Beat? But my real point is those old fans that were turned off by the commercialism lost track of these old bands because they are no longer 'in the market'. They don't buy the magazines, which don't show them anyway, and the don't listen to Christian radio because it don't play them anyway. And if they don't have internet, they have no idea these bands are still around. This is just a long explination of where these guys audience went. I think the switch in the market drove off a large porton of the original fans. My theory is reinforced in my mind by the constant emails we recieve by old fans who had lost track over the years.

It's the truth

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-17-2005 at11:29:

 

I don't know what the solution is really, that market is not
going to revert back. Maybe a grass roots "adult" target
Christian Music Magazine with less emphasis on commercial
and more on content? But even if it was made, you still
have the issue of how to advertise it to these people you
want to target. Unless word of mouth is the only answer.

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-17-2005 at11:39:

 

quote:

Originally posted by sprinklerhead Maybe it is time for Jesus to cleanse the temple again.

Or maybe thats what is going on, maybe He is forcing things
back to the grass roots message centered movement it once
was.

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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-18-2005 at02:13:

 

In my dreams I see the whole secular and Christian music industry falling to pieces and true artists walking around handing out burned copies of songs that they just recorded in their bedroom studio to people on the street )

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-18-2005 at10:47:

 

quote:

Originally posted by dorfsmith In my dreams I see the whole secular and Christian music industry falling to pieces and true artists walking around handing out burned copies of songs that they just recorded in their bedroom studio to people on the street )

A large number would just stop making music, and get a regular job.

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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-18-2005 at11:01:

 

And those would be the ones who are not artists

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-18-2005 at11:27:

 

Well, I disagree. I think in some cases those would be the guys
who want to feed their families.

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-18-2005 at11:35:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Audiori J Well, I disagree. I think in some cases those would be the guys who want to feed their families.

I had the same thought. (Sorry Dorf.)

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-18-2005 at11:37:

 

It would be the Taylors, Keaggys, etc.

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-18-2005 at11:47:

 

Yup.
It seems like Keaggy is having a hard time keeping his discography in print as well.
Like DA, Keaggy's stuff is sold more on the interet it seems.

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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-18-2005 at12:23:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Dr Rich quote: Originally posted by Audiori J Well, I disagree. I think in some cases those would be the guys who want to feed their families. I had the same thought. (Sorry Dorf.)

Yes but I am half joking

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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-18-2005 at12:28:

 

But you know, the other half that is not joking says that terry is already there. He has no industry to promote him. He keeps going even though his stuff doesn't sell. He self publishes nearly everything. The Christian bands who would quit in a second are the ones who simply make music in order to have sex with young groupies

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-18-2005 at12:35:

 

Yeah... you are right too!

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-18-2005 at14:08:

 

Well....I mean if they were " walking around handing out burned copies of songs that they just recorded in their bedroom studio to people on the street." They basically would have to quit, they can't support their family working on songs to give away.

Terry does at least sell enough to pay for his releases, and hopefully at times support his family. There are extrenuating circmstances now and then that hurt that system. I think Mike Roe has talked about on his board about the whole VIA situation as an example.

Under normal circumstances these guys wouldnt' be doing too bad I think, but their circumstances over the years have not always been normal. And when you've had multiple unfortunate events over a period of years, its sometmes hard to get back to normal.

I also believe when someone is used by God to touch the lives of a lot of people as these guys have through song, they have more than just the industry working against them. I think the industry is at fault for part of their following to lose track of them, but beyond that I think these guys can be and most likely are under 'spiritual attack.' That can come in the form of financial issues, when the finances are needed to continue.

The guys need support and prayer.