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Let's toast the names
Of our old flames
As well as love possessed
And raise a cup
To giving up
The sins that we've confessed
Then cry some tears
For all the years
For things that might have been
The laughs, the wine
That shining time
That may never come again
Chorus:
And so it goes
The river flows, the years roll down the line
And so it goes
(to) my dear departed friends
We'll meet again
In some other place and time
Cheers to grace
And gentle faith
To the losses and the wins
To loved ones gone
Friends moving on
To beginnings and to ends
Heres to revelry and levity
To charity and grace
With tears for all
We made feel small
For the souls we laid to waste |
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| Thread: raised listening to DA... |
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| You're a cool dude, nomad......... |
Thanks Woggy, now convince my sons. 
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| So when I write a song, I always write for myself, trusting that there has to be at least one other poor sap out there who can appreciate what I'm feeling. |
That's usually the best way. I find myself relating more to songs like When Everyone Wore Hats, And So It Goes, and Your Long Year than the older work. I think the movement songs (for lack of a better phrase) were something I enjoyed as part of a group but the newer work I find more personal.
Don't know if this is on topic but for those who play, why do you do so?
For me I never felt that I was called to minister with music but I was a pretty good support player for those who did. I played because I enjoyed playing in a group, entertaining and just being creative, and I thank God that he gave me many outlets to do this.
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Anything a 13 year old thinks is cool is bad for art! 
Trying to make most music into art is taking it more seriously than it really is and can lead to Diva Disease. To me art is something you do for yourself, performing is something you do for others. If nobody likes my art that's OK, but if someone lays down some money to see me then I better give them some bang for their buck so they do like me and come back for more.
If I had all of this insight straight 20 years ago I might have made it.
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| The starving artists are the ones on the forefront of true art. |
Or they can just be incredibly stubborn hacks.
I never looked at what I did as art, and I doubt anybody else would mistake what I did for it either.
I did eventually look at what I did as craft and I did come to look at myself as an entertainer. The message don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing.
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| Well, I believe that what Mike is saying about Rage is that they say they are against the machine but they are part of it. It's the same paradox as when Curt Cobain ended up on the cover of Rolling Stone...a magazine he put down for being too commercial. |
But that's the nature of the music industry. Todays rebel is tomorrows headliner in Vegas. If we can accept that we can work with the industry without compromising ourselves.
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Mike, Why would being on a major label make them more acceptable? By that logic both Relient K and Switchfoot should also get a free pass for being played. I don't buy into the entire major label argument at all.
Do you think the owner of the local nudie bar cares if a station he advertises on plays Youth of the Nation or Dare You to Move? There's more to life than just the "message", and most of it is common ground with our unwashed friends. I played bars where we played originals but also covers by secular bands. The bar owners didn't care we played a song titled, The Road to Life. It didn't hurt his beer sales or have people run out of the place.
Also why follow the trend of most Christian music? If everybody else is already covering a subject write about something else. No matter what we may think Christians have most of the same issues as those who go to Thong Thursdays. We work deadend jobs, get dumped by girlfriends and worry about the world just like anybody else. 
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Most christian artists would jump at the chance to make it
into the "real world". Music radio is not targeted to challenge people.
Why would a radio programer play music that goes against
the philosophy of the station and the most important thing
the advertisors? |
P.O.D. did it twice and Relient K is touring with Good Charlotte. Radio isn't about philosophy but selling air time to advertisers. Advertisers are about getting your backside into their store to buy their product. Don't Christians drive cars that breakdown or need a tuneup? Go out to eat. Buy clothes? What is it about CM that goes against the advertiser? Who is more anti-advertiser POD, or System of a Down and Rage Against the Machine?
Dorf Christians do go through crap too but if we sing about it we try to resolve it by the end of the song by having Jesus come out of the clouds and make it better.
We have a problem with admitting we have doubts and fears and I think that keeps us seperate from others.
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Thanks all. This is a thread that just hits home for me. I'm one of those that lost touch with my favorite bands and figured them as long gone. What a nice surprise to see them still around.
Two ways for a band to lose audience is by playing the same old stuff over and over, and the other is by making changes. I lost track of DA after one change where they went left my musical tastes went right and the rest is history. The same thing happened to me with U2 and Van Halen. I'm back into U2 and DA but I still hate Van Hagar.
I loved the old days of the movement but I'm so glad they passed as any movement gets restrictive after awhile. I think being so focused on the message helped stifle people from being able to write about things that could hook those they were trying to reach. There was a lot of preaching at, but not a lot of relating to the people we were trying to reach. There was a disconnect between what we were singing about on stage and what was going on in our daily warts and all lives.
We can blame some impersonel industry for all our woes, but I think much of the fault lies with the performers losing relevence to their chosen audience.
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Hi guys, I'm new here but have been a DA fan since the late 70's. I worked as a Christian musician from 1977 to 1989 when life/wife forced me to get a real day job. In all of those years many of us dreamed of crossing over without selling out, to play our music, touch lives outside of the church and make a modest living doing it. Well fulltime music didn't happen for my boys and me but some of our friends made it and for them I'm really happy. I'm also excited about some groups that are crossing over like Relient K, Pillar and Switchfoot; and I didn't have to drive to the local Christian bookstore to buy them but just hop on into the local Target. Now that's pretty cool to this old guy and I'm glad to see someone fulfilling our dream.
I had been in the music biz long enough to realize that it's a business and art has little to do with it. I never figured out how to make music that sold, (commercial) and I've watched those better at it then me not make it either. If I had my druthers the Good Rats would have been mega stars and the NY Dolls would be up there touring like the Rolling Stones and KISS on their umpteenth farewell tour. Instead I watched Peter Frampton and David Lee Roth play gigs at the local office park. The reality is most everybody loses their audience after awhile. At least now there is self publishing for us fans.
Sadly the Christian music scene has never been pretty and I think harder to navigate than the secular one.
Time for this old fart to stop rambling and go to bed.
BTW I think MBD is the best album set that I own. The band is awesome and Terry is one of the best writers out there, period. I also cherish the two times I got to see DA in the dual drummer days, hang with the guys a little at Kamperland and even play on the same stage as my heros did.
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