 Bibleland Appreciation Thread  |
wakachiwaka 
Ceremonial Kernel
Registration Date: 07-26-2007
Posts: 1,209
Location: Glendale, CA
 |
|
To that I'll just reply that I don't find the melodies in those songs especially compelling. In my mind they don't measure up to TST's best, or even average, melodic compositions - they seem to simply sit in one place, never really getting out of neutral and going somewhere interesting. They just sound "tired" to me, especially coming in the wake of all that aggression.
Fortunately there's a lot of Taylor tunes to go around, so if we only disagree about two or three songs I think we're doing okay.
|
|
07-08-2008 19:53 |
|
|
James
Mind Peach
Registration Date: 01-09-2007
Posts: 146
Thread Starter 
|
|
UNACCEPTABLE! ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG!
|
|
|
07-08-2008 20:00 |
|
|
Dr Rich
Ubique Epoque
Registration Date: 03-15-2002
Posts: 9,986
Location: Hoverkrafti im është plot me ngjala.
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by wakachiwaka
To that I'll just reply that I don't find the melodies in those songs especially compelling. In my mind they don't measure up to TST's best, or even average, melodic compositions - they seem to simply sit in one place, never really getting out of neutral and going somewhere interesting. They just sound "tired" to me, especially coming in the wake of all that aggression.
Fortunately there's a lot of Taylor tunes to go around, so if we only disagree about two or three songs I think we're doing okay.
|
There is an interesting tension on BibleLand.
It has "of all that aggression" coupled with the feeling of "never really getting out of neutral."
It is an album filled with rage and frustration, which does not work well as a fuel in the long haul, but rather begins to make one stagnant.
It really does make you tired.
I don't know if it's on purpose or not.
Just something I have noticed.
__________________
|
|
|
07-08-2008 20:20 |
|
|
MarkyMark77
Woolly Eggwhisk
Registration Date: 10-11-2002
Posts: 512
|
|
"Broken Ladders to Glory"=brilliant
There's no great bombastic chorus or hook in this tune, which, to me, matches the lyrical content, regarding our continual and consistent struggle with all things spiritual, but no great, single, overcoming success until we're in heaven. I love it when the music feels like the lyrics, if that makes sense.
| quote: |
| It has "of all that aggression" coupled with the feeling of "never really getting out of neutral." |
That's exactly what this song, musically and lyrically, sounds like to me. Which makes sense. That tension is what we experience until we are live with God eternally forever. Even the whole "Bibleland" concept is a pale comparison to what awaits, as we, and Paul says, "our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ" (Phil 3:20)
Pretty heady stuff for a Christian pop band!
__________________
|
|
|
07-08-2008 21:06 |
|
|
Dr Rich
Ubique Epoque
Registration Date: 03-15-2002
Posts: 9,986
Location: Hoverkrafti im është plot me ngjala.
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by MarkyMark77
"Broken Ladders to Glory"=brilliant
There's no great bombastic chorus or hook in this tune, which, to me, matches the lyrical content, regarding our continual and consistent struggle with all things spiritual, but no great, single, overcoming success until we're in heaven. I love it when the music feels like the lyrics, if that makes sense.
| quote: |
| It has "of all that aggression" coupled with the feeling of "never really getting out of neutral." |
That's exactly what this song, musically and lyrically, sounds like to me. Which makes sense. That tension is what we experience until we are live with God eternally forever. Even the whole "Bibleland" concept is a pale comparison to what awaits, as we, and Paul says, "our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ" (Phil 3:20)
Pretty heady stuff for a Christian pop band! |
Darn tootin'! 
__________________
|
|
|
07-08-2008 21:15 |
|
|
Jimmy Brown
Ceremonial Kernel
Registration Date: 06-26-2007
Posts: 1,425
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by ftg3plus4
| quote: |
Originally posted by dennis
Oh?? Do tell.
|
From the 1994 Terry interviews on this site:
| quote: |
I don't know much about Bakersfield. Part of the song is based on my own personal experience -- that was the death of my grandfather. Bakersfield was where we had to go and see him in the hospital. That song was written out of the experience of going to that particular city; my feelings towards the town were definitely colored by that sense of impending death. It could have really been any city.
(different interview)
My grandfather died in Bakersfield. We would have to travel off to Bakersfield to see him in the hospital in one of the bleakest towns on the face of the earth. He had always been a strong man, central in my life, and someone I deeply admired. To see him in that hospital, shut down the way he was, was very disturbing.... The references to (sportscaster Vin) Scully are there because my grandfather was the guy who always had Vin Scully on the radio in his garage when I was a kid... |
Once I'd read the above, the song's rage made sense to me. (As did the references to "Scully." At the time BL came out, the name "Scully" was mainly associated with The X-Files, so its use in this song really confused me!) |
For me, "Bakersfield" is the standout track on this album. It does ring true for me.
I spent Summer 1987 in Bakersfield. It really was a desolate patch of sun-blasted hardpan full of Okies and fundamentalists. I was there as a summer missionary with the Baptist Student Union, and one pastor I spent a week working with kept trying to convert me from the error of Presbyterianism. It was in many ways a thirsty, soul-crushing place. Or maybe that was just me. I think TST acknowledges how a place can meld with our personal experiences with "God is with them, but I won't be there."
All that said, I would go back to Bakersfield. I met some good people there. I was going through my old photos yesterday and remembering them. Yeah, I might go back if I thought I could say hello the those pleasant few.
This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Jimmy Brown: 09-07-2020 05:25.
|
|
|
09-07-2020 05:24 |
|
|
Ron E
Platyhelminth
Registration Date: 03-12-2002
Posts: 5,610
Location: Central Ontario Canada
|
|
I blame you. You were the Presbyterian.
Jk! An interesting addition to the story for sure. I've never been to Bakersfield. Or California. I have been to a bakery. Often. Too often
__________________
The opinion expressed is that of the participant and does not necessarily reflect that of Mr Dan Amos. But if it doesn't, he would be wrong.
|
|
|
09-07-2020 22:17 |
|
|
Jimmy Brown
Ceremonial Kernel
Registration Date: 06-26-2007
Posts: 1,425
|
|
|
|
09-09-2020 01:22 |
|
|
Jimmy Brown
Ceremonial Kernel
Registration Date: 06-26-2007
Posts: 1,425
|
|
Listening to "Stone Away" this evening, I really miss Tim Chandler. To call him a genius is to sell him short. I could live a hundred lifetimes and not understand how to construct a bass line like that.
It half makes me want to get my Guild B10 out of the closet and half sell it and forget the whole thing.
|
|
|
09-23-2020 00:11 |
|
|
Audiori J
Administrator
Registration Date: 11-27-2004
Posts: 7,728
Location: "Clowns to the left of me! Jokers to the right! Here I AM stuck in the middle with you." - Stealers Wheel
|
|
They talked quite a bit about Tim's history as a bass player at his memorial service. I don't remember all the details just that he won a lot of rewards and was well known out that way as being an actual genius with the bass. Literally not figuratively.
__________________
"Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence." ~ Robert Frost
|
|
|
09-29-2020 14:06 |
|
|
ftg3plus4
Woolly Eggwhisk
Registration Date: 04-15-2005
Posts: 903
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by Jimmy Brown
I spent Summer 1987 in Bakersfield. It really was a desolate patch of sun-blasted hardpan full of Okies and fundamentalists. |
But did you see the ghosts of all them Okies?
__________________
"Settle down. We got along this day. Come outside because there is some sheep snot showing on my side."
-- Purported backwards message in DA song "Like Lazarus" (cited in the Vergito newsletter, Volume 5, Issue 7 Fall 1995)
|
|
|
10-29-2020 07:14 |
|
|
Jimmy Brown
Ceremonial Kernel
Registration Date: 06-26-2007
Posts: 1,425
|
|
I'm pretty sure they were all over. It would explain a lot.
|
|
|
10-30-2020 20:22 |
|
|
wayneb
Ceremonial Kernel
Registration Date: 04-24-2002
Posts: 1,295
Location: New Zealand
|
|
But not everything. We have to leave some mystery in the song!
Low Crawls and High Times is just the best thing on the album for me, though.
__________________
"Don't Fight Your Own Liar..."
www.smashthatcomputer.com
|
|
|
04-24-2021 16:55 |
|
|
WoaaahJelly!
Woolly Eggwhisk
Registration Date: 06-25-2013
Posts: 755
Location: Ohio
|
|
I bought your CDs, and I read your liner notes, and lovingly scrutinized your cover graphics, but you never came! I waited for you by the fountain in the Mall, AND I ROTTED THERE!
__________________
You Are Beautiful, Liberty 5-3000
|
|
|
08-10-2021 13:27 |
|
|
Jimmy Brown
Ceremonial Kernel
Registration Date: 06-26-2007
Posts: 1,425
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by mindgasket
Bibleland was the first DA I ever heard. I don’t remember how I got the cassette, but I was a baby christian at the time and my Keith Green ears just couldn’t handle it. Stone Away was all I could process, so I threw it away! No kidding.
Fast forward almost 30 years and it’s my favorite DA album. Would love it on vinyl. |
That's quite a story, mindgasket. Glad you eventually came around. I guess DA changed their musical style so much over the years that it depended to a significant extent when someone encountered them. I encountered Doppelganger just when I was starting to long for something more, plus we had just read T.S. Eliot's "The Hollow Men" in English class, and was immediately hooked. If it had been one of the early albums I heard that same year instead, I probably would have bounced off.
|
|
|
08-10-2021 18:26 |
|
|
Audiori J
Administrator
Registration Date: 11-27-2004
Posts: 7,728
Location: "Clowns to the left of me! Jokers to the right! Here I AM stuck in the middle with you." - Stealers Wheel
|
|
On topic my view of Bibleland was always mixed. Basically I saw all the BAI releases kind of the same, sort of one dimensional or flat. Sort of garage band-ish. Less like what DA usually did in the studio and more like what they did live. That sounds like more of a criticism than what I intend, I think they are just different in direction and presentation. I always sort of assumed it had something to do with Gene Eugene's engineering style? I guess because to me all of the Frontline DA releases have a similar feel, sort of pristine digital and ethereal while the BAI stuff comes across in the grungy direct to tape vibe. Then you have the releases post green room which all seem to have a level of intimacy not found earlier. And then the stuff Terry and Rob have done together has a whole other slant. It's like ordering the same meal from different restaurants and they each have their own take that can put you in a different place.
__________________
"Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence." ~ Robert Frost
|
|
|
10-26-2021 12:17 |
|
|
wayneb
Ceremonial Kernel
Registration Date: 04-24-2002
Posts: 1,295
Location: New Zealand
|
|
Yes, I agree. It has meant that I can look through my DA/Terry etc collection and pick stuff out that will speak to me in whatever situation I am in at the time.
Today I listened to the Live CD from the 1979 Calvary Chapel show...
__________________
"Don't Fight Your Own Liar..."
www.smashthatcomputer.com
|
|
|
10-26-2021 18:09 |
|
|
|
