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Well -I am enlightened.- I should autotune Wiki more oft.
I thought since the subject was old recording methods we were speaking of something more obscure...and I'm never afraid to admit my ignorance...ever.
It certainly does explain the "WTF happened- that sounds NOTHING like the CD....."
but- hey- if it is abused too much.... whats Randy gonna say about next weeks AI performers??
sorry dawg - I dunno - it was ...
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jiminy
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btw- Markymark- bragging up recording stuff hes not letting us hear either..
whatup with y'all ? - fraid you'll sound pitchy??
what we do round here- we share!
(please??)
RR- Mark- any other homeboy recording dudes..
Come out of the closet!
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jiminy
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Originally posted by MarkyMark77
I'm a little sympathetic to autotune users. Here's why:
Last night, I was listening to a drum track I just recorded. There were a couple of spots where the timing was a little off, enough to be noticable. The rest of the track was great, and since I have limited recording time, and the track sounded really good (that's hard when you've got one Radio Shack mic on your whole kit), I edited it a little so that it sounds right.
Can I play the drums? Yes.
Could I have nailed it if I had spent more than 20 minutes on the whole drum track? Yes.
Most of my guitar, bass & keyboard tracks are one take. Drums and vocals are more, sometimes spliced together. But I played every bit of those drums, and sang every bit of those vocals. Just maybe not in the order that other people will hear them. 
In a time when integrity seems to not be an issue for many people, I do expect the people on my CD's, mp3's, 8-tracks, etc., to actually be able to sing and play the way their performance sounds on the CD. If not, it's more or less lying.
I think if you're fixing something that you actually can do, but you're jusdt "autotuning" it to save time, why not.
If you can't sing, and you're being promoted as a singer, that's pretty much lying, and you should go sell encyclopedias. |
I agree. The Beatles sometimes would do nearly a hundred takes of a song before they were happy. They also tended to like effects, Lennon even invented a couple, and many times they adjusted tape speed to change the pitch of their vocal. Lennon actually had George Martin splice together two takes of "Strawberry Fields" in order to get the final released one. Unfortunately they were both recorded at slightly different pitches and times so Martin slowed one down and sped the other up to splice them together. If you know where to listen you can hear the change.
I don't have a problem with any of that, but the technology has gotten so good that some people make albums who cannot sing or play any instruments or write songs. Thats when the artistry is no longer there, its just manufactured, like having a machine paint a picture for you and claiming to be the artist.
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wes berlin
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Originally posted by larryl
i can sort of see it for fixing one or two pitchy notes....
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so much can depend on the operator. these things are available to tweak not to create vocals (or instruments). i agree that, like many effects, auto tune has been abused in the the hope of polishing a turd.
and here's a question for all you "purists" out there:
is it "wrong" to record to a click track?
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MarkyMark77
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| If you know where to listen you can hear the change. |
At around 1:00, I believe. When I got "The Beatles Recording Sessions" at age 14, I read it over and over and over.
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Yup.
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I do much of the time because it's only me playing everything, and sometimes I need it as a reference point.
But more and more, I'm not. I just play a drum track independent of anything else. I'm finding that, more and more, there's more feel to those tracks, and it's easier to sync up, because all of my musical quirks bleed into all the instruments I play.
I've never been in a band who recorded in a studio that used a click. Most drummers that I know hate 'em, and can't play with them anyway.
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to get the inverted exclamation this is what you do:
press ALT+F1, ALT+F1, then 0-173
i did this in a text editor and then copied and pasted it into the mb window.
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is a click track something like a metronome, or markers where musical changes are supposed to occur? 
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Its a click noice on a multitrack to help you stay on perfect time. Like a metronome. It is used on Buechners and can be heard I believe in some of the recording sessions on the DVD, if I remember correctly.
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jiminy
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timing is one thing-
pitch is another.
a musician should either have both (generally) or not. When a band is together- a clicktrack makes loads of sense.
Pitch:
case in point - last weekend at PK - He picked up one of the SCADS of guitars he had -started the opening notes and went:
"oops- new strings" ( even I could tell it was way out of tune)
he hit each string
ONCE.
.turned the appropriate key-
asked ONCE
for an E Chord from Tom Shiness-
and had the match-
there you are.
Oh and the harpischord on "In My LIfe" is way sped up (nearly double timed)..that GM- he is great!
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Let me go on record as stating I was never against auto-tune, per se. However the current spate of singers using it for effect (i.e. Akon) are wearing out their welcome.
Auto-tune used as a tool - OK. Auto-tune as an effect - outdated and overdone.
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Originally posted by wes berlin
and here's a question for all you "purists" out there:
is it "wrong" to record to a click track?
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not at all... especially these days, when i record one take at my house, another gets recorded at someone else's house, and then we go to the studio with it all........
or when i'm trying to lay a drum loop on something..... almost nobody is good enough to record without a click, and have a loop laid over it, and it line up.
if i could get a drummer to lay his track first, i could probably record without a click.......
for the record... i hate playing to a click track. i use hand claps, a high hat sound... anything but that horrible metallic "click"
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I think many would prefer if I used auto-tune.
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wes berlin
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Originally posted by larryl
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and here's a question for all you "purists" out there:
is it "wrong" to record to a click track?
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not at all... especially these days, when i record one take at my house, another gets recorded at someone else's house, and then we go to the studio with it all........
or when i'm trying to lay a drum loop on something..... almost nobody is good enough to record without a click, and have a loop laid over it, and it line up.
if i could get a drummer to lay his track first, i could probably record without a click.......
for the record... i hate playing to a click track. i use hand claps, a high hat sound... anything but that horrible metallic "click" |
i was only joking.
but just to be clear.....i think it's great to live in such a time where there are so many options that can be helpful in the recording process. nothing can ever take the place of a artist, because of the human element. problems often occur when someone tries to make themselves into something they are not.
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that's exactly what I was trying to say.
AS far as click tracks, I hate them! I prefer to record to a drum machine beat and then add real drums later. for me I have a better feel for the song with a fake drum beat than that stupid click, click, click. As far as auto tune, poor folk like me don't have that option, so I have to do it up old school, over and over and over again till I get it right.
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I love this one! All of the songs are SOOO DA. You can hear this album on Much of their other works from that point on all the way up to MBD. It seems to me that it helped define the quirkiness that is DA. The songs are incredible. |
Oh, so you did say this! 
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jon eddies
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well you know, great/sick minds think alike!
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Yes. Yes I do. 
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