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arcticsunburn arcticsunburn is a male

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Just Curious

One of my summer projects this year is to make transcriptions of the entire album of Alarma! By this I mean guitar/bass tablature & standard notation. While it is true that I am doing this for the benifits that come with extensive study of music, I had this crazy idea. What if this could be made into a product, and could be sold along with the disc. My motive behind all this is as follows: 1) I think it's a shame that there is very little DA music that is transcribed for us musician types. 2) Like many of you, I also think it's a shame that DA's music isn't very well-known. But like I said, the idea is crazy. There are a few concerns that come to mind:

- The need to re-issue Alarma! (in my opinion, that would not be a bad thing in itself).
- The trascription would be somewhat of a waste of time if it was just a matter of asking Jerry & Marty, "How did you play this on the recording?".
- The demand (How many DA fans are out there? How many of those people play instruments? How many of those people would buy a copy?)

It seems to me the demand issue in itself significantly limits the audience this would appeal to. I can't even get most of you to go listen to the free music up on my band's Website. How in the world would I get you interested in something like this? Tongue

Would there be more demand for this if it was a newer album? Is this something that'll just end up on one of my Websites with a Paypal donation button? Would you buy a copy? I'd appreciate y'alls input.

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07-08-2004 21:03

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I suppose for a lot of people tabs are great. I guess it's a thing for you kids. Most of us old farts had to learn by ear playing along with the records.

Still, not one to whiz on it, if you feel the call to spread the word, and tabs are your gift. Tab away young dude.

For me, I'll do what I always did, put it on and figure it out.

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07-08-2004 21:29

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Thread Starter Thread Started by arcticsunburn

Notice I did say "tab & standard notation." Figuring it out by ear is exactly what I intend to do. I was just wondering if anyone would appreciate utilizing such transcriptions.

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07-08-2004 21:31

Jevon the Tall Jevon the Tall is a male

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Yeah, I saw that, but I have an issue called "Selective Reading" it's not as rare as you might think.

There are always people looking for someone else to do the work for them. If you do a good job, then it'll be appreciated.

J.

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07-08-2004 21:39

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"Alarma!" will probably be reissued at some point here..
we're making plans to try to reissue almost everything,
starting with the first album.

The guitar/bass tablature could easily be used for
something though.. we do occasionally get a request
for sheet music or tabs.

One idea we've been tossing around is making
some kind of book with photos, lyrics, stories, etc...
it could be that we could try to include some tablature
in that collection - if there was some available. Or,
perhaps we can find a way to print it inexpensively
on its own.

I'm not sure what the demand would be, but if we
could print them as they sold - it would be a nice
thing to have available. We've been thinking about
doing a poll on the site for various reasons - we could
ask folks about this idea and see how much interest
there was.

Getting the band members themselves to write things
out would probably be difficult - since most of them
are way to busy to do it. But, if someone did most of
the work, I'm sure we could get them to look it over
and "approve" it or make changes.

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07-08-2004 21:53

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Thread Starter Thread Started by arcticsunburn

quote:

Originally posted by Jevon the Tall
Yeah, I saw that, but I have an issue called "Selective Reading" it's not as rare as you might think.

There are always people looking for someone else to do the work for them. If you do a good job, then it'll be appreciated.

J.

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07-08-2004 21:59

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Thread Starter Thread Started by arcticsunburn

quote:

Originally posted by audiori
"Alarma!" will probably be reissued at some point here..
we're making plans to try to reissue almost everything,
starting with the first album.

The guitar/bass tablature could easily be used for
something though.. we do occasionally get a request
for sheet music or tabs.

One idea we've been tossing around is making
some kind of book with photos, lyrics, stories, etc...
it could be that we could try to include some tablature
in that collection - if there was some available. Or,
perhaps we can find a way to print it inexpensively
on its own.

I'm not sure what the demand would be, but if we
could print them as they sold - it would be a nice
thing to have available. We've been thinking about
doing a poll on the site for various reasons - we could
ask folks about this idea and see how much interest
there was.

Getting the band members themselves to write things
out would probably be difficult - since most of them
are way to busy to do it. But, if someone did most of
the work, I'm sure we could get them to look it over
and "approve" it or make changes.

That's a much better response than I expected. Obviously I intend to do a good job - otherwise I wouldn't suggest the idea. I'll keep you updated with my progress.

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07-08-2004 22:01

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RE: Just Curious

quote:

Originally posted by arcticsunburn
It seems to me the demand issue in itself significantly limits the audience this would appeal to. I can't even get most of you to go listen to the free music up on my band's Website. How in the world would I get you interested in something like this? Tongue

Since you asked for opinions, I wouldn't buy it, but then I don't play anything, so what do I care - but I did listen to the music on your site.

Pete

07-08-2004 22:16

Jevon the Tall Jevon the Tall is a male

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Daveassburn, check your LTT mail, I sent you a message.

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quote:

Originally posted by audiori
Or, perhaps we can find a way to print it inexpensively
on its own. .

ahem, can anyone say cd-rom? you know a pdf (or whatever kind of file it would be) at the end of a music disc. sooooo, on say the "darn floor big bite" reissue......after the bonus tracks... include the tabs on the disc. Smile

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07-08-2004 22:36

Jevon the Tall Jevon the Tall is a male

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That would be really helpful for old Wes - his ear ain't what it UUUUsed to be.

Tee hee - I mades a funny.

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07-08-2004 22:41

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quote:

Originally posted by Jevon the Tall
That would be really helpful for old Wes - his ear ain't what it UUUUsed to be.

Tee hee - I mades a funny.

hey! my hearings fine for a deaf person.

asl

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07-08-2004 22:42

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RE: Just Curious

quote:

Originally posted by pistolpete
Since you asked for opinions, I wouldn't buy it, but then I don't play anything, so what do I care - but I did listen to the music on your site.
Pete

nice assist Cool

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07-09-2004 07:30

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wes-
in all seriousness- thanks for that link on the ASL- I have been looking for something like that.
How cool.

and A.Sun-
I have listened to and perused your site again just yesterday..so neah!

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07-09-2004 07:35

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Yeah CDrom is not a bad idea. When we say inexpensively,
basically we mean in volume. Most manufacturing places,
CDs, DVDs, VHS, Records, CDrom, Books, etc have a minimum
order and it's usually 500-1000 copies. The balance is not really
if you can sell 1000 copies right off the bat, it's if you can sell
enough copies right off the bat to pay for the manufacturing
of 1000. That usually helps in determining the price as well.

Then if you buy 2000-(on up) the price per unit gets cheaper and
cheaper, so thats a factor.

To sum up, it's basically just trying to gage the selective audience
for the product and find a manufacturer that fits that range...
so you don't actally lose money on the project.

With something like this, even if there is not a market that can
support printing of say 1000 copies, you still migh be able to
couple this project with another project and maximize your audience
and also make both projects more appealing.

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07-09-2004 07:54

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I think guitar tabs would be great - 1 or 2 pages with lyrics and chords. I would play more TST-related songs if I had tabs to start from instead of figgering it out, although I am slowly improving. There's only so much time.

I'm not really interested in traditional sheet music because it's just too many pages and I wind up doing nearly as much work taking it back to tab as figgering it out in the first place. I do seem to remember a sheet music software/ service I saw one time that was pay-per-download and seemed to be decent (I got a few free sample downloads Tongue

), but I don't remember the name of it. Wait- I just remembered I think it was called Sibelius Scorch or something like that.

Blessings in your endeavour, artic! Smile

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Although Alarma (as a whole CD) would have been one of the last ones I would have picked to start with! Tongue

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07-09-2004 10:19

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quote:

Originally posted by audiori

One idea we've been tossing around is making
some kind of book with photos, lyrics, stories, etc...
it could be that we could try to include some tablature
in that collection - if there was some available. Or,
perhaps we can find a way to print it inexpensively
on its own.

That would be very nice! There needs to be a DA coffee table book with all that good stuff! Cool

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07-09-2004 10:26