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backstory:
Mars ILL is MC Greg Owens and DJ Nathan Corrona.
IMHO, Mars ILL is at the top of the hiphop food chain.
i mess around on their message board from time to time.
on a cut from their CD "Raw Material", Greg describes
the varying talent levels in hiphop this way:
"it's unbelievably creative, and it's run of the mill"
i took a flyer on the verse and dropped this post
at the Mars ILL site.
thought this group might care to read it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:53 pm
Post subject: "unbelievably creative"
... to borrow a phrase from The Gregness.
i'm not trying to be a pain,
but i have yet to hear in hiphop
anything worthy of that phrase.
as far as i'm concerned, Greg and
Nate are as good as it gets in hiphop ...
but "unbelievably creative"? ... not yet.
maybe Pro*Pain turns the corner.
maybe it doesn't.
anyway you slice it,
Greg and Nate have their work
cut out for them ... and i'll be as
eager as the next brother to see
the pages that are coming.
their best material is years away.
count on that.
as things stand,
i don't see anyone on the singer/songwriter horizon
who stands any taller than Terry Scott Taylor.
that boy just ain't real.
Taylor out-Dylans Dylan.
Taylor out-Morrisons Morrison.
Taylor out-Zappas Zappa.
he's done it longer than most b-boys have been breathing.
and he's still ripping the flipping lid off.
Daniel Amos
The Swirling Eddies
Solo stuff
The Lost Dogs ... blah blah blah.
i don't see anybody anywhere putting words to music
more creatively.
Don VanVliet is close.
EmmyLou Harris is close.
until hiphop breaks out of its stereotypes,
no emcee is gonna be steppin up to Terry.
but if there's somebody who is up to the job
of breaking stereotypes and plowing fallow ground,
it's the Mars ILL.
my prayers are with them.
"exciting times" as Tank would say.
"Tank, load the jump program" - Morpheus
[ripped off from Rahlo's IROC remix ... you go, bro]
i'm only cleanin up MCs, forget the kitchen - tina jones
http://marsill.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=7648#7648
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audiori
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Your baby makes that kind of 'music' don't he?
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citizenRKane
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look, people, i don't appreciate having my time wasted.
i have not posted here before;
my post was made in good faith
and shows due honor to the prime mover of this site ...
therefore you have an obligation to make a good first impression.
since i have not been on this board for the last
ten years of my life, i also have no appreciation
for inside jokes and interpersonal drivel.
how about a little RESPECT?
or at least give me some hope that
i'm not dealing with either fifteen year olds;
or 45 year olds who are so toasted their
responses are indistinguishable from
those of fifteen year olds.
gimme something back or let the thread die.
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Looks like you'll fit right in.
Welcome to the zoo. You'll find that people take the tongue in cheek stuff as well as Terry's stuff pretty seriously.
I thought your post was pretty cool, and the response, was just a quote from Sacred Cows.
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lighten up rkane... 
We like to have fun and be serious here at the same time. It takes a while to get used to us. Every thread will drift away from the original topic or may never even address the original topic ever again. It's just the way things happen around here. Stick around and you will see we mean no harm. I mean heck, read some of Berger Roy Al's posts (and yes, he is the real Berger! not an alias... well I guess he's an alias, but not a fake alias like if I posted as Berger) he is all over the place!
Anyway, to get back to your post.
You posted about Terry's lyrics and how hip/hop is not there yet or may never be there. I posted "I luv *rap music" because Terry/Camarillo sang that song on the Sacred Cows CD. So to me, that ties in nicely with your post... sort of anyway.
Now the Audiori Bros in there infinite wisdom, have put the word *rap in the swear word list. So now when you type *rap without the *, it comes out crap.
The post from the audiori was making fun of the fact that my post said "crap music" instead of *rap music and then they tied that to the picture of my baby in my signature.
So...
All in all, I think we are still on track with your original post. 
*rap is crap, Terry's lyrics are always better, and my baby is also full of crap.
if you want some real posts, you may have to wait until Monday when some of the not-so-insane posters come back. the weekend only brings out us weirdos.
The main point is...
have fun! and stick around. 
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'Eleanor
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Eleanor
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Originally posted by Jevon the Tall
Looks like you'll fit right in.
Welcome to the zoo. You'll find that people take the tongue in cheek stuff as well as Terry's stuff pretty seriously.
I thought your post was pretty cool, and the response, was just a quote from Sacred Cows. |
Jevon makes a good point too...
Terry is not always serious and sometimes he addresses topics with humor. We do that a lot around here. Trust me, you’ll get plenty of great responses discussing Terry’s lyrics.
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dorfsmith
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I am a very mature 27-year-old 
Man, that sounds like a personal ad. Hey Mr. Kane welcome to the DAmb.
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citizenRKane
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thank you, nice peoples.
pardon my irritation.
i run into so much weirdness on the net,
i've adopted a strategy of letting heads
roll if a response seems to have an
attitude spin on it.
if the heads roll back grinning and speaking
english, it's prolly a pretty safe place to be.
later, taters.
http://p073.ezboard.com/bthesanctuary61937
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audiori
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Yeah when you post here you will get a combination of
serious replies and jokes and maybe even from the same people
under different names or the same names.
The music industry has shifted as a whole into the look a
certain way and have no substance to be popular while the
real artistry suffers. Writers like Terry whos songs will still
have meaning 30 years from now, get overlooked for the happy
drivel clogging the airwaves that will be forgotten tomorrow.
I actually get somewhat irritated at the awful popular music
they pump into restaraunts while I am eating... anyone who
has had a history following a band like Daniel Amos and has
paid close attention to lyrical content will be uniquely bored
with some of the poor singing hip hop fluff that perpetuates
radio.
Unfortunately, the artists are subjugated to being indie
acts which are greatly more affected financially by rampant file
sharing than the popular music that is more supported by the
larger labels. Leaving people like Terry and DA having to work
extra hard to get anything released. The errosion of the music
market affects the 'fringe' acts and leaves the listener with just
what happens to be "popular" today.
This has even greater implications when the importance of the
message in the more creative lyrics is like that of Terry's, which
addresses spiritual questions everyone struggles with from day
to day. This message which truthfully has an even greater need
to be heard than any other is trapped in a market that doesn't
want it.
Think about it this way, bands such as these are trying to sell
to the world a message it doesn't want, wrapped in creative
experimental music when hip hop crap is what is popular.
Thats why all of us show up here and also why a lot of people
here tend to be lighthearted most of the time, it keeps us from
being too cynical. And we all understand people do need this
message even if they don't want it, and we want to be supportive.
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dorfsmith
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I do get some satisfaction knowing that certain lables are going under and record stores are going out of business. They must pay for giving uncle terry the cold shoulder
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citizenRKane
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Mars ILL - Try Again
(from the album Raw Material)
© copyright Uprok Records/Sphere of Hip Hop Records/Mars
~excerpted~ lyrics by Greg Evans
Hook:
We fly the pen like a pilot when it’s time to begin/
Fight to win with the power that makes the sky bend/
We got to end to make room for the Christ to begin/
If it ain’t dope enough then, yo, got to try again…
Verse 1:
I get you up like Vivarin, an unpredictable trend/
Many men remain content with where the needle has been/
In an elliptical spin of people dying in sin/
We realize to reap our talents lies in trying again/
So I don’t try to pretend that I’m phatter than him/
I just make heads come apart like a detachable limb/
And carry on like I’m collapsible overhead in your plane/
Holding titles for collateral, leaving cats with no name/
Line them up like cocaine and light them like propane/
While they’re profane, we rock from Florida to Spokane/
Washington, I’ve watched them rock to kicks, snares and rim shots/
They think their junk is tight when it’s loose like slip knots/
Yo, but I can’t trip, AK, cuz everybody can change/
They could flip their whole persona ala Shirley McClain/
But we aim for the heavenlies and try to tame the 7 seas/
Because when you claim the Trinity, you’d better shoot for the stars/
Battle scars and open wounds from open mics that I’ve closed/
Open minds and open doors for all my brothers in prose/
I send cerebral celebrations with my mic and my pen/
If you don’t get it, kid you guessed it, I’ma try it again…
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you won't here this on your radio either.
we're on the same team.
same page of the play book.
remember the baby/bath water deal.
hiphop is not the enemy ... greed and pride are.
the Gospel is being propagated through hiphop
with potentially more impact than was possible
through rockNroll because of the inherently
tighter social bond within the subculture.
nuff said.
Tamada takes Motegi GP
09.19.04
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I like hip hop, only not usually for the lyrics. It is possible to enjoy a song for the music/beat and think the lyrics suck.
Mars Ill is pretty good. Grits is another Christian hip hop group that I like.
Anyone have a copy of "The Rap-sures" that they'd like to lend me so I can make intelligent comments about TST as a rapper?
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Joey T.
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I Luv *Rap Music
from the album "Sacred Cows: The Songs That Helped Us"
Originally Performed by DC Talk
Some people out there givin' *rap a bad name
But as the young people say, I ain't down with that
*Rap music, the sound of the times
Ya sorta talk lyrics to rhythm and rhyme
And then deliver in the various ways
You know, some sorta preachin', and some sorta play
Nevertheless, there's some common ground
Ya know the def hip hop sound
Hyped up bass and the tiny snare
The subwoofer makes your neighbor stare
Hey but
I luv *rap music
I always have, and I always will
Now *rap started as the voice of the street
A sorta politics to a ghetto beat
Then rappers started braggin' all about their gold
And the girlies, and the beepers
And the big, black Olds-mobile
In '83, the beatbox hit
Makin' funky drum sounds from out ya lips
But takin' on nu forms, *rap has moved from the block
Now some mix it with soul and some mix it with rock
I don't care how ya do it, 'cos..
I luv *rap music
I always have, and I always will
There's no other kinda music in all the world
That can make me feel quite as chill Brrrrr!
I luv *rap music
Ya know, it's sittin' on the top of my list
So if ya wanna hang with me, ya better believe
You'll be jammin' to a hip hop mix
Concert time in my part of the town
Ya know, I brought my mom cause she was... well she was feelin' down
She was flat groovin', but couldn't understand
How they makin' music when there ain't no band
And then she said "James!" everybody stared
She heard a James Brown sample "Ow!" and thought he was there
She got home, shook her head and said,
"Kids these years"
But then again, we think the Beatles are weird
Those loony mop tops...
I luv *rap music
I always have, and I always will
There's no other kinda music in all the world
That can make me feel quite as chill Brrrrr!
I luv *rap music
Ya know, it's sittin' on the top of my list
So if ya wanna hang with me, well ya better believe
You'll be jammin' to a hip hop mix
Is it just me or are we all gettin' crazy here?
I luv *rap music
Ohhh... that feels good!
Today some rappers boast, some are makin' me ill blah!
And those obscene lyrics you gotta agree are overkill
But I started M.C.'in way back in the day
And since then there's been a serious change
Ya know, I asked the Lord to come into my heart
And He gave me a brand new start
And on top a dat, He gave me my dreams
Doin' hip hop music with a Christian theme
Ya know
I luv *rap music
I always have, and I always will
There's no other kinda music in all the world
That can make me feel quite as chill
(Improvise yourself silly. Have fun with it. Make the song your own.)
I luv *rap music
I luv *rap music
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I am NOT an alias!! gggxkkk!
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Originally posted by citizenRKane - Mars ILL - Try Again
"Yo, .......... .......nuff said."
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Those two points stuck out to me.
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Joey T.
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ok, carl......
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I mean, I know there's a resemblance, being his mommy and all. But even in his more dubious moments, I don't think Berger'd've played an Ibanez copy of a Rickenbacker (although to be truthful, I found the Ibanez copy more useful than the original)....
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