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Dorf Christians do go through crap too but if we sing about it we try to resolve it by the end of the song by having Jesus come out of the clouds and make it better. 
We have a problem with admitting we have doubts and fears and I think that keeps us seperate from others. |
My point exactly
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Mike, Why would being on a major label make them more acceptable? By that logic both Relient K and Switchfoot should also get a free pass for being played. I don't buy into the entire major label argument at all.
Do you think the owner of the local nudie bar cares if a station he advertises on plays Youth of the Nation or Dare You to Move? There's more to life than just the "message", and most of it is common ground with our unwashed friends. I played bars where we played originals but also covers by secular bands. The bar owners didn't care we played a song titled, The Road to Life. It didn't hurt his beer sales or have people run out of the place.
Also why follow the trend of most Christian music? If everybody else is already covering a subject write about something else. No matter what we may think Christians have most of the same issues as those who go to Thong Thursdays. We work deadend jobs, get dumped by girlfriends and worry about the world just like anybody else.
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dorfsmith
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| Well, I believe that what Mike is saying about Rage is that they say they are against the machine but they are part of it. It's the same paradox as when Curt Cobain ended up on the cover of Rolling Stone...a magazine he put down for being too commercial. |
But that's the nature of the music industry. Todays rebel is tomorrows headliner in Vegas. If we can accept that we can work with the industry without compromising ourselves. |
Sure and a lot of people can accept that. I just happen to be anti industry because I see it as anti art. The starving artists are the ones on the forefront of true art. The big time guys are being told what to make and how to make it so it will sell. A commercial product will rarely break the mold unless the industry has a plan for it to.
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| Well, I believe that what Mike is saying about Rage is that they say they are against the machine but they are part of it. It's the same paradox as when Curt Cobain ended up on the cover of Rolling Stone...a magazine he put down for being too commercial. |
But that's the nature of the music industry. Todays rebel is tomorrows headliner in Vegas. If we can accept that we can work with the industry without compromising ourselves. |
I see your point, but if you make art, you should get it out to "the people."
Don't make something and then hide it in a closet.
It's part of the challange of every artist, to be true to their vision.
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I have to go job #2, so you can take cheap shots at me until I
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Two jobs??? What a sellout! 
Have a good day.
I gotta get going too! 
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I have to go job #2, so you can take cheap shots at me until I
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Hey everybody, lets take cheap shots at mike
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nomadmike
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| The starving artists are the ones on the forefront of true art. |
Or they can just be incredibly stubborn hacks. 
I never looked at what I did as art, and I doubt anybody else would mistake what I did for it either.
I did eventually look at what I did as craft and I did come to look at myself as an entertainer. The message don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing.
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| The starving artists are the ones on the forefront of true art. |
Or they can just be incredibly stubborn hacks.
I never looked at what I did as art, and I doubt anybody else would mistake what I did for it either.
I did eventually look at what I did as craft and I did come to look at myself as an entertainer. The message don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing. |
You're a cool dude, nomad.........
..............am enjoying your posts very much
(from a NEWBIE DA fan! I never KNEW this music existed until about 3 yrs ago, when my brother introduced it to me......he posts here, too, under JimIny
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Which just goes to show you that, even when the music was popular, MANY of us never heard it...........................I became a Christian in the early 80's, but went right to CCM without knowing that there was anything else out there..........which is too bad.
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Well, yes but would you have called yourself a recording artist
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See I would consider popular music art just really really bad art. And extremely unoriginal art. When you have 75-year-old guys sitting back looking at market analysis to tell them what a 13-year-old will think is cool then you know it can't be good for art
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Anything a 13 year old thinks is cool is bad for art!
Trying to make most music into art is taking it more seriously than it really is and can lead to Diva Disease. To me art is something you do for yourself, performing is something you do for others. If nobody likes my art that's OK, but if someone lays down some money to see me then I better give them some bang for their buck so they do like me and come back for more.
If I had all of this insight straight 20 years ago I might have made it.
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See, to me art is a form of self expression. The very act of art is to express ourselves in creative and fresh ways to others. You have me curious though. I will check and see what Websters has to say about art
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Well, Dictionary.com says:
Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
The study of these activities.
The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: “Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice” (Joyce Carol Oates).
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If you are interested I would be curious to explore this more and start a thread in the off topic section
If you would like to join me it will be called "What Is Art"
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If you are interested I would be curious to explore this more and start a thread in the off topic section
If you would like to join me it will be called "What Is Art"
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Send this to the next page for those interested
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