Dr Rich 
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"...Christian Rock...."
what an ugly topic. what is rock to you is easy listening to me, and is Musak to Mark...
i've never understood this whole discussion. if it's the style you like, listen to the lyrics. if the lyrics don't draw you closer to God, ditch 'em. and closer to God doesn't mean worship. it means that God is using that person to touch His bride. there are bands that don't say Jesus a lot that are Christ-ian, and there are bands (and preachers) that say "Jesus" all the time that are on a greased pole headed for hell.
"Christian Rock". do we now realize that 26 years ago DA and Uncle Rand and Keith Green and Norman were considered the Crucifieds, and Gaurdians, and mxpxs and ghoti hooks of our time?
it ain't the rock, it's the reason. it ain't the music, it's the Messiah. music will always Mountain Dew people off. CCM cuz of the compromise, and real CM cuz of the promise...
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who is this?
Lucy? 
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joey
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treven.... he's been back for like 2 months... come on doc.... you don't really read this board do you? 
you just post! 
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This is kind of interesting -- I have no memory of starting this thread whatsoever. I wonder what I meant by it.
"Someone's got it in for me, they're planting stories in the press..."
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Stuart Pedasso
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To Woggy,
I can't marry you, but I will consider you an honorary little sister.
You're very cool.
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servantsteve
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I think sometimes the reason Christian Rock seems stupid is because Christianity is so simple. Preach the gospel at a university to a group of unbelievers, then preach the same gospel message to a group of mildly retarded unbelievers at a soup kitchen. Who do you think is more likely to accept the Lord? My experience is the latter group will be more receptive.
People are more likely to get saved before they turn 12 than they are to get saved as an adult. Why? The gospel message is incredibly simple, yet incredibly profound. To reflect that message, much of Christian music is simple, too.
Sometimes this board seems like a bunch of intellectual elitists to me, then I realize how well I fit in with this group. I like to be intellectually challenged in my music and in my faith. But my hope is based on a very simple premise- I couldn't pay a debt so I had to have it paid for me.
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Joey T.
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I think sometimes the reason Christian Rock seems stupid is because Christianity is so simple. |
well, if you listen to the music of Da it is not stupid....
the Swirling Eddies are kinda silly, but still not stupid....
but then if you listen to the bands they made fun of on sacred cows, i can see why most people think Christian rock is stupid....
use the J word
God good, devil bad...
and of course the crown prince of stupid Christian rock's wonderful song: satan, bite the dust! 
i haven't heard much of the other stuff, i feel like i want to throw up when i try to listen to so-called Christian radio....
the Gospel isn't stupid though.... too simple to get for some.... but when it's presented in songs like use the J word or satan, bite the dust..... or whatever crap they are spewing out now, it does kind of make us look like fools....... and not the fools for Christ that paul mentioned..........
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God good,
devil bad...
DA good,
the Tuxedo Clad Megastar bad...
SE good,
Gaithers bad...
LD good,
Zoe Girl bad...
TST good,
Jim Nieghbors bad
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Alright, I'm going out on a limb here, but...
the Tuxedo Clad Megastar is great for kids, don't you think? I mean, he keeps things simple and dumbed down enough for anybody under 10 to understand.
Don't get me wrong, I started a "the Tuxedo Clad Megastar Hate Club" when I was in High School, so I'm not a fan of his, but I wouldn't mind so much if my son got into him when he's in elementary school.
Just a thought.
I don't dig a lot of CCM because of the lack of talent involved. Now, I don't listen to much secular stuff either, but I'd rather listen to a DA or 77's disc instead of something by Avalon or Plus One. CCM tries to hard to mimic what's popular instead of being innovators on the music front.
Can you imagine if somebody did things right, marketed DA to a mass audience in the mid-eighties without interfering in TST's creative process? I could totally see DA getting secular airplay and a lot of respect for doing what they do. But instead they all have to work day jobs and don't get nearly enough time and money to continue doing what they love.
Sure, some Christian bands have gotten through that barrier - Sixpence (don't laugh - there's more to them than "Kiss Me") POD, Evanescense (although the attitude they displayed in an EW interview was pretty fringey) Chevelle and 12 Stones have done well.
Christian Rock isn't exactly stupid - it's the guys running Christian Rock *cough* Rick Cua *cough* that are screwing things up though.
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Dr Rich
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treven.... he's been back for like 2 months... come on doc.... you don't really read this board do you?
you just post!
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oh Treven!
It's about friggin' time! 
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the Tuxedo Clad Megastar is great for kids, don't you think? I mean, he keeps things simple and dumbed down enough for anybody under 10 to understand.
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no, i don't think.... sesame street is good for kids....
car(t)man has bad theology.... i don't want my son walking around saying "satan, bite the dust!" like in the same way when he is pretending to fight darth vader with a light sabre.... that is just bad theology......
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I'll give you that, Joey.
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Here's an interesting piece, that I found truly interesting about the concept of the Christian Music Industry.
Can a business be Christian?
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Here's an interesting piece, that I found truly interesting about the intellection of the Christian Music Industry.
Can a business be Christian? |
I guess then, the big question would be:
Is that where Jesus is? (e.g. the LD song)
Is Jesus working for or running a record company? I mean, he isn't on the golf course engaging in big oil deals, right?
Or not right? Hmmmm....
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Originally posted by Stuart Pedasso
Here's an interesting piece, that I found truly interesting about the intellection of the Christian Music Industry.
Can a business be Christian? |
I guess then, the big question would be:
Is that where Jesus is? (e.g. the LD song)
Is Jesus working for or running a record company? I mean, he isn't on the golf course engaging in big oil deals, right?
Or not right? Hmmmm....
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I know this is an old, old thread...
I think Jesus is the balance, where mankind is off in the extremes.
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
While this is true, its also true;
Matthew 25:14-30
The Parable of the Talents
"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'
"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'
"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'
"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
I know this is symbolism, and not truly about money. But I think while you are not supposed to love money or worship it, God does hold you responsible for what you've been given. You can't serve two masters, God and money. You can serve God and still make money though. Its about your heart.
I believe originally the Christian music industries heart was in the right place, and God blessed the work, they did make money but not were technically after it. It was a tool to keep going. But somewhere along the lines secular business saw that money was being made and saw dollar signs in their heads. They bought up a lot of the Christian music labels and the direction went from being about God to about money like a regular industry. Some of the artists may have their heart in the right place still, but the 'business' entities at the top are there to make a buck.
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I'm impressed, Joey....you waited 43 months to respond
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As Hank Hill once said:
"You aren't making Christianity better, you're just making Rock and Roll worse."
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joey
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As Hank Hill once said:
"You aren't making Christianity better, you're just making Rock and Roll worse." |
amen! 
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As Hank Hill once said:
"You aren't making Christianity better, you're just making Rock and Roll worse." |
amen!
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